Moderation Questions

Should probably ban that viewpoint then

it's a good thing we don't live in Germany in 1942, and this isn't a German forum in 1942

right and wrong don't depend on where/when you live

Nelson Mandela was labeled a terrorist by USA til 2008... so according to luciom we shouldn't have been able to say supportive things about him in this forum in 2007. but when he was taken off the terrorist watchlist in 2008, then we could say good things about him

or what if it was 1942 and we were posing about Japanese internment camps?

or what if it was 1800 and we were posting about slavery?

or USA genocide in 1776-2024?

of course we should criticize the empire. and criticism from inside the empire is the best place to do it

legal and illegal doesn't equal right and wrong

for most of history slavery was legal, so was genocide, so was rape(husbands raping wives, owners raping slaves)

right now it's legal to destroy the planet with pollution, and nuclear bombs.. in usa

it's legal for cops to kill black people

it's legal for judges to take bribes, politicians to take bribes, capitalists to profit from putting kids in cages

The legal local referenve was used to define what would be an unbiased moderation: to only censor what creates legal risks in your jurisdiction, and nothing else.

If instead you apply your own value preferences to what you are moderating you are moderating in a biased way.

The fact that you agree with the bias currently (which doesn't surprise me because the bias is extremely to the left) doesn't change that.

I was in fact claiming such a moderation bias currently exists in this forum.

That mildly racist comments are censored but actual Hamas propaganda isn't is an exceptional bias for me.

You might think it's the proper set of rules anyway, still extremely biased toward a value system that doesn't at all represent the median American (or european or asian for that matter), but rather a very leftist ideology mindset for which writing

/"i think ethnic group X is bad because they do Y which is bad a lot more than other ethnic groups"

Is a lot worse than

/Hamas is a legitimate resistance group and 10 7 wasn't terrorism, rather an act of war

Many people would agree to censor both comments, some would agree to censor neither, but exclusively very leftist people would agree to censor the first one but not the second one

America is an incredibly right wing country, even by European(racist empire) standards

Americans view people like George washington as heroic. the man owned slaves and carried out genocide on indigenous people.

Americans think we need more people in prison, even though we have by far the largest prison population the world has ever seen

you're just so wrong about left/right bias(and about a million other things), that I need to take a break from talking to you

For some things it's rightwing (on economics for ex) for others it's to the left.

For example most European countries are way more racist (using leftist definitions of the word) that America.

Cannabis is legal in a lot of american states but in very few European countries.

Almost no European country afaik has no questions asked free abortion up to the day of childbirth (unlike some democrat led states which do).

In proportion to the exceptionally high crime rate the USA has, jail population isn't high at all compared to other first world countries.

A lot more minors got their body changed by physicians because they felt they are of the opposite sex in the USA than in the EU, even if the EU population is larger.

But all this doesn't matter at all when Hamas propaganda is allowed but very mild racism isn't. That's (radical) leftism according to any definition.

Filthy, what are your top 3 countries and why? - in your opinion, not by googling other idiot talking points.

Anyway, I’m here for the “very mild racism” argument. Shoot your shot.

And? I am not saying censoring racism is a bad choice.

I am saying censoring mild racism and not censoring Hamas propaganda is a very leftist choice

I don’t censor the Israeli propaganda either.

I DO moderate racism from both sides, and that’s not going to change.

The word zionist is coded racism

You allow rape denial, you allow zionist colonizers, but i say when some one denies rape i lose respect for them and that's a personal attack?

Calling hamas animals ...timeout!!

Washoe pays all antisemitism post after post when he finally posts a meme he gets it

Luciom is right. It may not be in purpose but you give way More leeway to the hamas side than you do to the Israeli. If you don't realize your own bias there is nothing any of us could do

Serious question

"Since the US is giving weapons i guys americans should be raped next. Hamas has the right. "

Would that be allowed

Because it's no different than "hezbollah rockets i guess lebsnonese and iran need to be destroyed. Israel has the right

But you seem to think the 2nd one as okay and say there is no rule against trolling when hamas supporters do it

Which argument? I think people should be allowed to claim they dislike a culture or ethnic group for any reason and until/unless they explicitly ask to harm them because of that, that wouldn't even be racism (or if it is, almost everyone is a racist so who cares?).

I also think that if saying some cultures are barbaric ie behave like animals more than others in some context (something the vast majority of human beings believe) is not allowed, which is even less racist than the above, that can really only come out of leftist ideology, because everyome who isnt a leftist isn't a 100% cultural relativists who denies some cultures are better than others

To be clear

I'm on a timeout for a "personal attack" for saying i lost respect for someone who is denying rapes and not believing jewish women right? If i made another "personal attack"please let me know

You do moderate racism under the all-encompassing radical leftist definition of the word which denies it's even possible to rank cultures, to ever compare them claiming one is better than another.

And already using RACISM to define a criticism of a CULTURE is leftist.

For many people unless it's about groups DNA it literally, definitionally, can't be racism.

And you also don't allow criticism of religious practices which is an even wider form of protection that race or culture.

Again denying religions can be compared qualitatively is extremism

Now you're on a ban for a week because no amount of polite requests, stern warnings, or light corrections seem to have any effect on getting you to stop, and I've had enough.

CN, would it be possible to point to the post that Mets made that resulted in you giving him his "time out?" There were four or five made back to back, but I can't rightly tell which one you are considering a personal attack that warranted a time out and then a ban.

Luciom is not presenting his point in an elegant manner, but there is something to his overall argument that you are allowing personal biases to color your decisions regarding what constitutes a personal attack. It was pretty obvious earlier this week when you said that an obvious one from Trolly, a poster that posts literally nothing but personal attacks, wasn't posting personal attacks but what instead being "sarcastic."

You may not recognize it in yourself, but you appear to have biases toward and against certain posters and topics. That is totally fine until your mod decisions are affected by those biases. If and when that becomes obvious to everybody, the forum crumbles into a total shitshow.

We've already been round and round the definition of racism and ethnicity and yours doesn't agree with the dictionary or with moderators. You should learn the rules and apply them to your posting. Simple.

American culture is insulted often in this forum without that being censored, italian culture was deeply insulted recently (in our national equivalent of 4th of July nonetheless) with no action taken after reporting it so PLEASE FORGIVE ME if I don't understand why insulting some specific other cultures is instead considered racism and thus not allowed here

I can't speak for mods but the US is highly culturally and ethnically diverse, as is Italy according to you, remember?

I'm pretty rabidly anti israel... and anti usa

but the anti jew stuff is sickening. and I want to express a little love for my Jewish brothers and sisters. and acknowledge the disgusting racism that Jews have to endure, and have endured for thousands of years

Agree with all of that.

and I love USA too... it's my home. many many fantastic things about USA culture and people, and even govt and corporations!

i've never been to israel, but I'm sure many many fantastic things about Israel too, just like usa

and growing up in a Jewish community, i've experienced first hand the love of Jewish people and culture. the humor! compassion, wisdom, LOVE... I really value Jewish people and culture, as we all should

Don't you think governments in democratic countries actually pretty well reflect the character of that country (at least in the moment the photograph is taken, during elections)?