Israel/Palestine thread
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https://www.972mag.com/israel-drone-gaza...
How Israeli drone strikes are killing journalists in Gaza
Survivor testimonies and audiovisual analysis reveal a pattern of strikes by Israeli UAVs on Palestinian journalists in recent months — even when they are clearly identifiable as press.
https://www.972mag.com/israel-drone-gaza...
How Israeli drone strikes are killing journalists in Gaza
Survivor testimonies and audiovisual analysis reveal a pattern of strikes by Israeli UAVs on Palestinian journalists in recent months — even when they are clearly identifiable as press.
Clicked on your link and got this far:
Although we were unable to obtain real-time footage of the strike...
2 million smart phones and every other person is a journalist and Israel is supposedly wantonly murdering "journalists" and yet there is never any video evidence.
Meanwhile, there is videos all over the Internet of Hamas brutalizing Palestinians, normally for interfering with them stealing aid; despite the fact that Hamas will literally kill you for disseminating such video.
Clicked on your link and got this far:
Although we were unable to obtain real-time footage of the strike...
2 million smart phones and every other person is a journalist and Israel is supposedly wantonly murdering "journalists" and yet there is never any video evidence.
Meanwhile, there is videos all over the Internet of Hamas brutalizing Palestinians, normally for interfering with them stealing aid; despite the fact that Hamas will literally kill you for disseminating such video.
if journalist gets blown to bits by a drone and the actual moment of impact is not captured on a smartphone....
Clicked on your link and got this far:
Although we were unable to obtain real-time footage of the strike...
2 million smart phones and every other person is a journalist and Israel is supposedly wantonly murdering "journalists" and yet there is never any video evidence.
In Ukraine some of the drones make a very loud, very distinguishable noise and people still struggle to locate the drone. In this particular instance a group went to the top of a hill hoping to get signal and they were surprised to be struck by a drone. What should they have done, filmed around them at 360 degrees, at all altitudes in case a drone was flying?
There are some instances where I agree with you, it's outrageous that there is no footage, this isn't one of them.
We thought it was honorable when Russell Casse flew his jet into the alien destroyer saving the planet. Sometimes that's your only weapon left.
It really can all be explained using economic principles and/or evolutionary strategies.
Islamists like Hamas use children to shield their weapons, because children are less valuable and easier to replace. The most extreme example of this was Islamist Iran sent out children to trip landmines during the Iran-Iraq war to protect their tanks. Hamas attitudes aren't as extreme, but not too far off.
Westerners use weapons to shield their children because the opposite dynamic holds true.
In Ukraine some of the drones make a very loud, very distinguishable noise and people still struggle to locate the drone. In this particular instance a group went to a place hoping to get signal and they were surprised to be struck by a drone. What should they have done, filmed around them at 360 degrees, at all altitudes in case a drone was flying?
There are some instances where I agree with you, it's outrageous that there is no footage, this isn't one of them.
That is the story. From the repeated patterns I have seen of Hamas propaganda, I see no reason to believe any story that has no evidence to accompany it. If you want to take this story at face value, despite knowing the people making the story are habitual liars, that is your prerogative.
if there's a side that doesn't value life, it's the one that has killed 40000+ people
If it doesn't count as evidence, how do you explain the video of the aftermath where an explosion has clearly occurred and people are bleeding and stunned?
If it doesn't count as evidence, how do you explain the video of the aftermath where an explosion has clearly occurred and people are bleeding and stunned?
I can believe an explosion occurred and people are bleeding and stunned, because that is what the evidence shows. All the rest is just propaganda.
Just as likely it was caused by one of the mortars that Hamas continually shows themselves blindly shooting off.
If it was known to be a Hamas mortar that caused the incident, would the people who wrote this story be publishing that it was? Of course not. They would either say nothing or blame it on Israel. So absent overwhelming evidence, why in the world should I accept at face value the word of people that I know dont even care what is true and would always blame Israel no matter what?
The one where the purpose is to kill all the people of a race, not the one where some die as collateral damage while trying to destroy terrorists
How about you?
Your definition has “all the people”
Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".
For the umpteenth time, there is no intent to destroy in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group
I'm no fan of Joe Biden but "Genocide Joe" us a disgusting misnomer
Now it changes to “in whole or in part”
Why didn’t you include the “acts committed with intent to destroy in whole OR in part?” Why’d you leave that out
on genocidal intent:
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/...
Intention is usually harder to prove when accusations of genocide are made; the petitioner has to be able to prove “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” in the language of the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. But in Israel’s case, intention too has been laid bare by an ample amount of evidence – as the South African legal team pointed out.
In arguing the case, they were able to draw on a new and comprehensive database, compiled by Law for Palestine, which meticulously documents and collates 500 statements that embody the Israeli state’s intention to commit genocide and incitement to genocide since October 7, 2023. The statements by people with command authority – state leaders, war cabinet ministers and senior army officers – and by other politicians, army officers, journalists and public figures reveal the widespread commitment in Israel to the genocidal destruction of Gaza.
Perpetrators of genocide rarely express their intentions in direct and explicit ways, so courts are left to infer such intent through an analysis of state actions or leaked memoranda. In the case of Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza, however, as the Law for Palestine database shows, people with command authority have been making genocidal statements repeatedly over the past three months.
They have dehumanised Palestinians in their rhetoric, and painted the population in Gaza, as a whole, as Israel’s enemy. Bolstered by the hubris of settler colonial power and the knowledge that it has killed, maimed, destroyed, expelled, humiliated, imprisoned and dispossessed with more than seven decades of impunity and by the continued material and moral support of the United States, Israelis are explicit and unashamed about their genocidal intent because they have imagined and prosecuted a war against people who they see as colonised “savages”.
Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant described Palestinians precisely in this way, as “human animals”, in his proclamation of the “total siege” on October 9. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described Gaza as “the city of evil” on October 7, and then on December 24, framed Israel’s attack as a fight against “monsters”. “This is a battle, not only of Israel against these barbarians, it is a battle of civilisation against barbarism,” he said.
Israeli President Isaac Herzog said a few weeks earlier, on December 5, that Israel’s attack on Gaza is “a war that is intended, really, truly, to save western civilisation… [from] an empire of evil”.
Netanyahu and other senior Israeli ministers have left no doubt that saving “Western civilisation” requires the total destruction of the Palestinians in Gaza by describing them as the Biblical people of Amalek – a people perceived in whole as an enemy that must be destroyed – and as Nazis.
This crude and dangerous weaponisation of religion and the Holocaust points to a genocidal state of mind: Perpetrators of genocide always see the group they are attacking as posing an existential threat to themselves, so that genocide, in their minds, is a legitimate and necessary defence. This is how the Nazis understood their genocidal assault on Jews during World War II, and this is how Israelis now view their genocide on Palestinians in Gaza.
article from january, so there have probably been many more statements of genocidal intent since then
on genocidal intent:
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/...
article from january, so there have probably been many more statements of genocidal intent since then
At least Al Jazeera has the inegrity to use quotes when actually quoting stuff Israeli leaders actually said (eg. fighting people trying to destroy Western civilization) and not doing so when they are completely just making **** up, like the Amelek stuff. It isn't much, but it is something.
So we know Israeli leaders believe they are trying to save Western civilization, because that is what they actually said. And all the rest of it is just propaganda Al Jazeera made up.
This is so stupid. It makes no difference.
The International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia (ICTY), International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR), and International Court of Justice have ruled that, in the absence of a confession, genocidal intent can be proven with circumstantial evidence, especially "the scale of atrocities committed, their general nature, in a region or a country, or furthermore, the fact of deliberately and systematically targeting victims on account of their membership of a particular group."
oh and hey, they probably don't even need the 500+ statements of genocidal intent, can just prove it through their actions
You forgot that Saudi invests heavily and helps maintain no terrorists and normalization with Israel in exchange for the US agreeing to protect them in a war against Iran
That would be amazing. Is that before or after I convert to Islam and marry all 12 playmates of the month of 2023?
Hamas recruiting young boys into RPG squads now leads me to believe that recruitment is going pretty poorly. Their ability to produce and smuggle arms is dropping very fast. I imagine we'll see some desperate measures soon.
Everywhere the IDF is meeting them now, resistance is significantly lower than before.
Hamas recruiting young boys into RPG squads now leads me to believe that recruitment is going pretty poorly. Their ability to produce and smuggle arms is dropping very fast. I imagine we'll see some desperate measures soon.
Everywhere the IDF is meeting them now, resistance is significantly lower than before.
I've heard it's pretty much over. The Rafah brigade is no longer lethal. Israel is now turning their attention to the north. I'm sure Israel is making it clear to the Lebanese army that they need to help them remove Hezbollah. I would think Lebanon does not want to be wrecked like Gaza.
I can believe an explosion occurred and people are bleeding and stunned, because that is what the evidence shows. All the rest is just propaganda.
Just as likely it was caused by one of the mortars that Hamas continually shows themselves blindly shooting off.
If it was known to be a Hamas mortar that caused the incident, would the people who wrote this story be publishing that it was? Of course not. They would either say nothing or blame it on Israel. So absent overwhelming evidence, why in
I see your point and know that this is just an example, but fwiw hitting an area this small would be far far easier with a drone than a mortar. This is part of the reason that Hamas using mortars inside of urban areas at all is so awful: they don't really have a clue what they're going to hit.
