Israel/Palestine thread
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From what I understand this mosque was built recently (within the last century) and isn't ancient at all.
Also, no one is even denying that Hamas frequently uses mosques for military reasons. At this point anyone paying attention should be more shocked if any given mosque in Gaza didnt have multiple entrances to Hamas tunnel networks, than if it did.
So can we cool it with the faux outrage.
Israel govt and media seems distracted at the moment with the whole 1,000 rockets getting ready to fire at Tel Aviv (at least that is what they are claiming) that were preemptively destroyed yesterday, so they haven't gotten around to this story yet. If/When they do and it pops on my timeline I will let you know the official statement.
For sure, but at the very best, you'd be making the argument that there would be some latent effect worth the 100k+ deaths, and very likely much more in the future, that would warrant such a strategy. I guess I am curious how you think this happens in practice and what makes this time any different. Those who hate Israel have already maxed out their hate meter along time ago. What is different this time?
Well Israel has been fighting a war against the Palestinians since 1940. Palestinians are now cornered. Cornered people fight back in order to resist extermination.
They are much better off now long term because the world has borne witness to the tragedies and atrocities IDF is commiting.
That is funny. Because the last time I checked Israel has spent its whole existence cornered by hostile Arab (and recently Iranian) forces dedicated to their destruction. And lo and behold they are fighting back in order to resist extermination. Funny how that works.
And of course your framing is completely bad faith because Palestinians could stop fighting at any second and make peace on reasonable terms, and the fighting would be done. But there is nothing Israel could do to get Iran and its proxies to stop calling for Israel's destruction. Calling for the destruction of Israel is pretty much the first thing the Mullahs did when they took over.
From what I understand this mosque was built recently, and isn't ancient at all.
Also, no one is even denying that Hamas frequently uses mosques for military reasons. At this point anyone paying attention should be more shocked if any given mosque in Gaza didnt have multiple entrances to Hamas tunnel networks, than if it did.
So can we cool it with the faux outrage.
Israel just doesn't gaf. It's their choice but they can't be crying about people protesting them when they can't do the minimum to manage PR unless they have footage of the tunnels before blowing the place.
Israel just doesn't gaf. It's their choice but they can't be crying about people protesting them when they can't do the minimum to manage PR unless they have footage of the tunnels before blowing the place.
If they did show the tunnels, would it matter? Israel has been showing a lot of tunnels over the last year. It is not like their critics have become more moderate because of it.
Everyone is well aware Hamas has hundreds of miles of tunnels* under Gaza (built with UN aid money) and uses mosques, hospitals and schools as headquarters; and disguises themselves as medics and journalists to travel under Israeli surveillance. Israel's detractors aren't good faith actors calling it like they see it; they are propagandists who mostly use bad faith to criticize Israel and ignore Hamas own role in Gaza's destruction.
*Pre 10/7 they used to regularly give guided tours of the tunnels to AJ and RT journalists; and brag if Israel ever invaded Gaza they would use the tunnels to annihilate the IDF and the tunnels would be Jewish graveyards (obviously didn't really work out that way).
That is funny. Because the last time I checked Israel has spent its whole existence cornered by hostile Arab (and recently Iranian) forces dedicated to their destruction. And lo and behold they are fighting back in order to resist extermination. Funny how that works.
And of course your framing is completely bad faith because Palestinians could stop fighting at any second and make peace on reasonable* terms, and the fighting would be done. But there is nothing Israel could do to get Iran and
*And reasonable terms in 1967 aren't what is being offered in 2024, just as what was reasonable in 1948 isn't what was being offered in 1967. The more Palestinians insist on fighting (and losing) the less they are going to get out of a reasonable offer. You dont get to just refuse to make peace for 80 years, and then as a last resort demand the original deal offered in 1948. That isn't how life works.
If they did show the tunnels, would it matter? Israel has been showing a lot of tunnels over the last year. It is not like their critics have become more moderate because of it.
Everyone is well aware Hamas has hundreds of miles of tunnels* under Gaza (built with UN aid money) and uses mosques, hospitals and schools as headquarters; and disguises themselves as medics and journalists to travel under Israeli surveillance. Israel's detractors aren't good faith actors calling it like they see it
I think it matters to their dwindling allies. That clip is a terrible look. Kind of a help us help you thing. We're in month 10 or whatever and the enemy is severely battered, why give them more propaganda but it's obvious Israel doesn't gaf.
Also, no one is even denying that Hamas frequently uses mosques for military reasons. At this point anyone paying attention should be more shocked if any given mosque in Gaza didnt have multiple entrances to Hamas tunnel networks, than if it did.
This is a deliberate strategy. Israel can choose to take out a military target, but at the cost of hurting its international reputation for years to come and boosting radical recruitment efforts in Gaza.
What exactly is Israel gaining from this? I can only come up with extremely short sighted and short term military objectives. At some point Israel needs to begin thinking past the short term.
uprooting hamas is a long term goal with long term ramifications
israel thinks they can achieve this by killing hamas members, killing hamas leaders, and destroying hamas infrastructure. i agree with them
I personally view that as a short term goal. The groundwork has been set up so that Hamas 2.0 will pop up in the rare event that Hamas is uprooted.
A long term goal would be ridding the area of all these extremist organizations. That can't be done through extremist actions, as I believe we are witnessing right now.
I personally view that as a short term goal. The groundwork has been set up so that Hamas 2.0 will pop up in the rare event that Hamas is uprooted.
A long term goal would be ridding the area of all these extremist organizations. That can't be done through extremist actions, as I believe we are witnessing right now.
Hm not if Gaza is military occupied for decades which is the plan.
Ridding the area of all these extermist organizations requires the people in control of the areas to be fighting them 24/7/365 until they are all eradicated.
Which means changing who controls those areas: it's impossible to get rid of extremist organizations under local self-rule in Gaza and Lebanon, that's what we now know.
In Lebanon it might be possible if a non-muslim local government comes to power and is helped by the west.
What we are seeing now is what is requried if you let terrorists become the governing institution of an area.
Now Israel has to reset that completly (A lot has been done already) and Gaza (and probably the WB) should be governed by anti-terrorist forces for decades.
The expectations for Israel continue to become more and more insane. Now they have to provide proof to the western media before striking a target? Do they need to have their operations cleared by CNN now? Lmao! Your anger should be with Hamas for deliberately placing military infrastructure within mosques. Israel has been getting heat from the international community, but I’m curious, who are these dwindling allies? France? Egypt? South Africa? Just curious.
In other news, Sinwar may be hiding out in the open, dressed as a woman. I’d imagine that’s Haram but desperate times?
the same people that brought you lies about mass rape, hospital command centers, beheaded babies, oven baked babies, burned alive babies on a clothesline are telling you that Sinwar is dressing as a women.
ahh well, this time they are proly telling the truth so I guess its open season sniping all the women in Gaza. (it already was but that received tepid criticism from the liberals before)
the same people that brought you lies about mass rape, hospital command centers, beheaded babies, oven baked babies, burned alive babies on a clothesline are telling you that Sinwar is dressing as a women.
ahh well, this time they are proly telling the truth so I guess its open season sniping all the women in Gaza. (it already was but that received tepid criticism from the liberals before)
Lmao what do you think a Hamas command center looks like? Something out of starwars? It’s probably a few Hamas lackeys with cell phones and a laptop. Either way, those Zionist lies are a year old, surely you can find some more recent fuel for your sarcasm.
the Arabic-language Asharq al-Awsat reported that Sinwar is insisting that his life be spared as part of ceasefire deal negotiations
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Lmao what do you think a Hamas command center looks like? Something out of starwars? It’s probably a few Hamas lackeys with cell phones and a laptop. Either way, those Zionist lies are a year old, surely you can find some more recent fuel for your sarcasm.
bc I have more memory than a goldfish
try to at least get the Hasbara correct
I guess even you guys dont believe the crap Israel throws out
And they found weapons and a Hamas tunnel, just normal hospital infrastructure. What exactly is your point lol? That Israel’s intelligence hasn’t been 100%? Welcome to the real world?
Maybe the thought of Sinwar in drag is making you uncomfortable?
lol
And they found weapons and a Hamas tunnel, just normal hospital infrastructure. What exactly is your point lol? That Israel’s intelligence hasn’t been 100%? Welcome to the real world?
Maybe the thought of Sinwar in drag is making you uncomfortable?
it def makes me uncomfortable that this is blatant consent manufacturing for even more atrocities and murder of Palestinian women.
If they did show the tunnels, would it matter? Israel has been showing a lot of tunnels over the last year. It is not like their critics have become more moderate because of it.
Everyone is well aware Hamas has hundreds of miles of tunnels* under Gaza (built with UN aid money) and uses mosques, hospitals and schools as headquarters; and disguises themselves as medics and journalists to travel under Israeli surveillance. Israel's detractors aren't good faith actors calling it like they see it
No it wouldn't. If we're to assume there's hundreds of miles of tunnels under Gaza, which is but a tiny piece of land, everything is okay to be bombed. Why the IDF has to burn Qurans I don't know. Maybe a 12 year old was throwing them at the IDF and we all know how dangerous books can be.
From what I understand this mosque was built recently (within the last century) and isn't ancient at all.
Aah fair enough. Then it's fine to bomb sites used for prayer.
