Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Putting Jewish lives at risk is antisemitism.
By extension, any action that doesn't help Israel win the war is antisemitism
I told you guys months ago that anything that makes Israel look bad is antisemitism. Lucion is not wrong.
Is this antisemitism?
actually it depends. bc in Israel in general the audience approves so its not. in general in the West it is indeed bc it makes Israel look bad to the audience.
ya unsurprisingly the Hamas bogeyman is now well entrenched in the West Bank.
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What does "pulling out" even mean to you. We have MAJOR economic, military and humanitarian aid interests in most of the Middle East and Turkey. How do you want to pull out, and have you given any thought to how the dominos fall from this.
These are just the military agreements we have signed with Israel. We have similar agreements with numerous other nations in the Middle East. Same thing for economic agreements.
The United States and Israel have signed multiple bilateral defense cooperation agreements, to include: a Mutual Defense Assistance Agreement (1952); a General Security of Information Agreement (1982); a Mutual Logistics Support Agreement (1991); and a Status of Forces Agreement (1994).
What do you want to do? Just announce we are no longer going to honor any of the probably 100 agreements we have outstanding in the region? What about all the American businesses operating in the ME. Are we going to tell them to pull out too.
What does "pulling out" even mean to you. We have MAJOR economic, military and humanitarian aid interests in most of the Middle East and Turkey. How do you want to pull out, and have you given any thought to how the dominos fall from this. These are just the military agreements we have signed with Israel. We have similar agreements with numerous other nations in the Middle
I didn't say all aid. Also, that was a hypothetical. To say that "any action that doesn't help Israel is antisemitic" is a ridiculous absolute.
I had a thought.
Hebrew and Judaism are actually a native language and religion to the region respectively; while Islam and Arabic are settler colonial entities, brought over during the Islamic invasions ~1300 years ago.
And genetic evidence indicates although there is a lot of genetic influence from Arabia, Iran, Egypt and even Africa and Turkey (these were imported slave populations that existed in this region and mixed with the locals some); the predominate genetic component of Palestinians is Levant.
Seems the most sensible way to settle this is for the Palestinians to just throw off the settler colonial Arab/Islamic yoke, and re-convert back to being Hebrew speaking Jews; which they basically were 2100 years ago.
Win-Win.
I had a thought. Hebrew and Judaism are actually a native language and religion to the region respectively; while Islam and Arabic are settler colonial entities, brought over during the Islamic invasions ~1300 years ago. And genetic evidence indicates although there is a lot of genetic influence from Arabia, Iran, Egypt and even Africa and Turkey (these were imported slave po
Cool. Now do America.
--As an interesting aside, if you examine the DNA of MENA Jewish populations (eg. Yemen, Algeria, Iraq) they are actually genetically of more Arabic origin than Arab Muslims. As the Jews were dhimni (second class citizens in Muslim Apartheid states) they were not permitted to race mix with other Muslims as many Muslim Arabs did under various Islamic empires (This included Arab Muslims race mixing with their slaves, that were often of African or Turkish heritage).
The amusing thing with your analogy is that it would actually work if Hispanics in the SW decided they wanted to revolt and liberate the SW United States and form their own Hispanic nation; and underwent a generational guerrilla campaign to take said land, while the rest of the world colluded to support their campaign and refused to let the US definitely defeat them, which they could easily do due to vast economic, technological, and military superiority.
It is absurd of course, but so are the dynamics of the Palestinian liberation movement if you step outside the magic show.
You have to admit there is some irony in that the "natives" are the ones that embrace the colonial culture, language and religion; while the "settlers" are the ones that embrace actual native culture, language and religion.
I mean, there is a reason that the Romans referred to this area as Judea hundreds of years before Muslim conquerors invaded and brought Arabic and Islam to this part of the world.
The amusing thing with your analogy is that it would actually work if Hispanics in the SW decided they wanted to revolt and liberate the SW United States and form their own Hispanic nation; and underwent a generational guerrilla campaign to take said land, while the rest of the world colluded to support their campaign and refused to let the US definitely defeat them, which they
I, honestly, dgaf about origin stories, either way
You did ask though.
On a more general note the point is it takes a lot of historical revisionism, selective fact choosing, and cognitive dissonance to embrace popular left wing and Islamofascist narratives of Israel being the settler colonialists and Arab Muslims being the natives.
There is some of that, but the truth is a lot more complex; especially when you consider Muslims evicted around the same number of Jews from their historical communities as Palestinian Muslims who were evicted during the Nakba. Seems like the Palestinians should just emigrate to the Muslim nations the Jews were kicked out of and call it even.
