2024 ELECTION THREAD
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So the premise here is that you are... smart... right? Like, smarter than me or jal, right? Actually, let's aim a bit more realistically to start. Do you think you are smarter than Shifty?
Intelligence is determined by your ability to impose your will on reality. None of you are in the same league as me.
No, titties in the newspaper and BJ are not the same as creationism and Trump. Hell, I liked the titties in the newspaper before they got cancelled. Hooked up with a Page 3 girl once actually, back in the long long ago. BJ is no genius, but he's no Trump either.
There are levels. Sorry bro, your country is full of morons. We're done bargaining, the next stage is acceptance.
you had a bunch of politicians do an ole switcheroo on em with brexit
don't for a minute pretend the average brit is a smart person
they are just as malleable as we are
No, what actually happened was there was an orchestrated campaign that ran for decades and successfully brainwashed people with lies about the EU, and very little factual correction.
this actually got me thinking we could do an academic olympiad between countries but instead of going by gender we go by profession
would be pretty cool tbh, probably can get peter thiel to fund it
Sure. In the meantime, we could just go by "show me your leader and I'll tell you about your people".
You're a professional gambler, right? You'd honestly bet on Americans (on the whole, obvs) to beat any other developed country on some measure of intelligence or educamashan-edness?
We were talking climate change not everything else.
It's interesting you cite nearby nuclear because we were idiot enough to close down ours, while neighbors kept theirs, we cannot tell them where to put it and there is some close to our borders, we routinely buy their nuclear generated electricity, and if a major disaster happens we get the negative externalities without having benefitted from the positive ones.
Which is why it was completely irrational to shut down ours after Chernobyl, even if
The western countries are the ones that are pioneering the way forward for the entire world, and part of it has to do with the leadership of Biden and the Democrats who have realized we can both continue to produce massive amounts of oil while also making sure that we create the infrastructure that will allow us to transition over the next 20-40 years to renewable energies that are going to end up being more and more cost-efficient. But let’s also not pretend that other environmental issues are not massive and have been widely addressed specifically by liberal democracies throughout the world.
Furthermore you talk about nuclear externalities as if they are the only possible externalities to exist. For instance in 2018 the US shipped a third of its plastic waste for recycling overseas to countries that don’t have the infrastructure to handle it. It became such a big problem that those countries had to enact regulations to prevent those imports from happening. Given just how much of a head start the US and Europe have had when it comes to industrialization, it’s not surprising that we started at the place where it made the most sense to lower our emissions first. We also have more of the technological capability to do so, and then once we are ahead of the game we should work with other countries to make sure they can grow in a sustainable way.
Your hypernationalism is going to lead to a world of conflict and war instead of peace and prosperity. I know you are ok with that but most people aren’t. I want the US and Europe to continue to be the global leaders that all other countries aspire to, and that means putting economic pressure on other countries and sanctioning them for their environmental policies if needed.
Trump has intelligence, but he severely lacks wisdom. That shoe don’t fit unfortunately.
This mean girls social posturing you do is pathetic D2. And it’s feminine.
If you think that people like me, pro help to Ukraine, pro abortion in the first trimester, pro global trade, pro drug legalization, pro euthanasia are the dangerous ones on the right you really haven't ever met a Vance or any other educated rightwing person motivated by a combination of actual reactionarism and or theology
Not all of your policy positions have to be repulsive (or worse than J.D. Vance) in order for me to think that your overall worldview is dangerous.
The western countries are the ones that are pioneering the way forward for the entire world, and part of it has to do with the leadership of Biden and the Democrats who have realized we can both continue to produce massive amounts of oil while also making sure that we create the infrastructure that will allow us to transition over the next 20-40 years to renewable energies that are going to end up being more and more cost-efficient. But let’s also not pretend that other environmental issues are
European countries have been paying almost 1 eur per liter tax on gasoline for decades with little variance among them, we have lower emissions yet we are doing infinitely more than the USA, Biden is to the far right of climate change than what we have done in europe, you have no clue of how much green marxism has already assassinated the quality of life of europeans and what i am fighting against.
You are more than 30 years behind on our insanity on that. My "hypernationalism" is about the fact that we already did far far far far far more than it made sense we are bleeding horribly from it and we shouldn't do anything anymore for at least 20 years if not more.
That even in your insane models where we had a duty to do anything to being with, which i fully reject.
But anyway paying more than 3$ of taxes per gallon of gasoline since the 90s is objectively already a lot more than enough even if we literally did absoluetly nothing else about fossil fuels and emissions in any other part of the economy (which instead we did), even in your "altruist" model.
You fail to recognize that is happening and the green marxists are blocking our streets, defacing our monuments, blocking our bridges airports and trains claiming we are greedy and don't do anything for the climate. And people vote for parties that claim that and more and more regulation is happening.
Not sure you realize that RIGHT NOW in europe we passed laws to 1) ban combustion engine cars from being sold from 2035 2) fine automotive companies if they don't sell an increasing amount of EV every year (regardless of the fact that people don't want them if they don't get huge fiscal incentives) 3) mandate that any new building is *near zero emission* which makes new houses exceptionally expensive even in **** areas and even if local municipalities have good zoning
And then there is the increase in farming costs because the same psychopath go after sulfur and everything else, and ofc emissions in agriculture as well.
You think Biden is ok because he did a tiny bit (actuall congress as usual did but whatever), but what it did is to the far right of european rightwing governments. The tories proposed and implemented stuff to the far left of the democrats, and many leftist continental europe countries did a lot worse than that, + EU-wide rules.
Von der Leyen nominally is center-right but she is to the left of every single democrat senator wrt "the climate crisis".
And you dare to criticize ME because i say "enough, those are domestic terrorists"?
Trumper is not down for Bill Maher
so do you guys still think Maher is a far right conservative now?
must admit msdnc is quite catchy though 😀
Lol, the irony of putting "dumb as a rock" in quotes incorrectly. 80 years on this Earth and the man has not figured out how to use quotation marks in a sentence.
