2024 ELECTION THREAD

I dunno man, I think at least some of them are actually this stupid.

I don’t get why people think trump supporters are nuts

Ya I still don’t get it. The world may never know

Propensity for violence is definitely a cultural issue with these ultra magas. Every year more and more are flooding the country and poisoning our values.

If people can only demonise the MAGA core instead of trying to understand the circumstances that created them, you’ll be stuck with them forever.

Right. They think Hatians are eating their neighbor’s dogs and the problem is with the people calling them out for being moron bigots. There isn’t anything I can do to get rid of maga people and it’s not my fault they exist. If they’re unhappy with their circumstances it’s not on me to improve them either. Conservatives have been infantilized by media for too long. I perfectly understand lazy uneducated people wanting to blame others for their lot in life, I don’t need to do a deep dive of eating at rural diners to understand why they believe what they do.

Trumps demonstrating how easy it is to brainwash people with things that are complete garbage if you prey on their fears.

It’s just the modern anti immigrant version of Reds Under The Bed that had the MAGA ancestors fearing for their lives to gain support for US foreign policy. It’s not like you haven’t been here before, but the difference this time is that the pretext is for aggression and hostility aimed at people in, or trying to get into, America.

Of corse maga is not unique. The notion or implication that we’re stuck with them because we demonize them is not accurate. We’re stuck with them no matter what we do.

You’re stuck with them until you divest young people of the notion of American Exceptionalsim that’s drummed into them through the education system.

You are stuck with half of the population having an IQ lower than median but having the right to vote no matter what, it's kinda disingenous to demonize the low IQ voters of one big tent and not the other ones just because you prefer one big tent to win over the other one.

That would be true even if one big tent attracted way more low IQ voters than the other one, but that's not even obviously the case for the current american situation, it's plausible the median IQ or republican and democratic voters is very similar.

You can pretend MAGA is the worst thing ever as much as you like and pretend your big tent doesn't have any similar problems attracting terrible people with terrible ideas and terrible propensities and behavior, but that's just lying to yourself and about inherent and unavoidable characteristics of universal democracy.

It's silly to trace a phenomenon like MAGA to any one cause. Among the various causes, I would not put notions of American exceptionalism particularly high in the pecking order. American exceptionalism was around long before MAGA. And the U.S. MAGA trend is part of a global spasm in the direction of a right wing authoritarianism that employs populist rhetoric.

Low IQ people can’t help it so typical low IQ magas cannot help having a low IQ. But they can still be held responsible for their beliefs. It didnt take a high IQ to get that the covid vaccine was safe or that Trump lost in 2020. So it’s fine calling out people for believing that stuff even if they have low IQs. A political party and ideology selecting out for these low iq beliefs should definitely be called out.

It's not a spasm; it's the logical result of the US trending further and further right since the war and the emergence of the US as the global superpower determined to impose its values across the world and crush dissent abroad, hence indoctrinating kids at school.

America had Nixon in power long before Europe's recent attraction to far right authoritarianism. If you choose to see history as unconnected spams you'll never understand why anything happens.

It's absolutely obvious that for europe at least, what pushed many people to the right was immigration, an unprecedented change in pace and type of immigrants for most european countries, coupled with "normal" left v right cultural issues about "social progress" in norms and behaviors, where the left pushed too far (trans issues and so on).

USA is different in the sense that immigration is normal for you guys, but recently something changed in the type and quantity of immigrants allowed in, negatively, and there is some very reasonable pushback about that.

But until you guys understand what the danish left understood a while ago, and the german left is admitting right now, which is the very basic ideas that it's not normal to push a lot of low skilled, low education people from different cultures among natives, and it never is without attrition , stuff will keep happening and the ecritude of this world with no low skilled, low education immigration as neighbors, will keep pontificating

in columbus ohio, a lot of people are very casually mentioning trump positively

including my mechanic who is vietnamese and says he has voted democrat his entire life - how vietnamese are like 90% democrat but this year he and a bunch of others he knows are all voting trump

another thing i found interesting in driving through swing states i see far less political lawn signs which is not at all what i was expecting, probably see it at about 20% of homes in new england and pretty uncommon out here - perhaps it is general indifference and that's why they are swing states?

So why do you only call out low IQ beliefs common among a portion of republicans, and you don't call out low IQ beliefs common among democrats?

I didn’t know that was a rule.

There is no rule, but your choice clearly indicates that you understand the need for any party to cater to masses of idiots, you can't win otherwise.

So when you criticize only the idiots on the right you basically want to lower the status of one of the 2 big tents, which you disagree with policy wise, using an attack that would always apply to any major party in a bipartisan system , and that's bad faith arguing.

Which you can keep doing as long as you want, but that i can expose for what it is.

My solution to neutralize idiots is to remove so much power from government, elections don't matter much.

Your tent solution to neutralize idiots is to shift a lot of power to unelected public entities loyal to your tent, so elections don't matter much and your team always governs.

The problem with my solution is that the very few things government has to do, won't be done very well. But given that's the case currently as well anyway + all the things government shouldn't do , i can live with that.

The problem with your solution is that giving a lot of structural power to unelected people , even if currently loyal to your team, risks totalitarianism, as they will keep amassing permanent power more and more and you removed the escape valves when you put them out of political accountability.

I don't know. Was he a left wing official or a right wing official? If he's a lefty he's probably lying.

Last time we had a democrat trifecta the only reason we avoided complete disaster was the presence of 2 people who weren't actually proper democrats in the senate.

I would contend that believing either of those things is a sure sign of a low IQ. Believing that the clot shot is safe and effective is a very reliable indicator of a low IQ imo. And how gullible and susceptable to govt propoganda you are. The more boosters you have had the lower the IQ. I mean there is more than enough evidence available now for those who want to find it.

Likewise believing that the election was legit is another sure indicator of how dumb you are.

Your belief that a global trend can be mainly attributed to a left to right swing in American politics certainly marks you as a believer in American exceptionalism. (As an aside, I don't agree that the Democratic party is further to the right than it was 25-30 years ago.)

I don't believe that history is a series of unconnected events, and I never said anything to that effect.

I should have excepted this sort of compelling response from you.

"Oh I'm a dumb simpleton? No u."

I off course like many got the shot and the second shot and one booster but if you can't understand why folks wouldn't trust a rushed out vaccine by the companies that have faced the largest judgements against them and have had all studies on the vaccine sealed till were all long gone than maybe your the one with the low IQ . Trump lost in 202 as well that is a given