Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.

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by jalfrezi k

So you don't think Harris gives more chance of peace in the Middle East than Trump, you just want her to win regardless and cross fingers she doesn't invade Iran?

in the USA POTUS can't declare war, it is an exclusive power of Congress


Stop nitpicking, everyone understands what I wrote.


by jalfrezi k

So you don't think Harris gives more chance of peace in the Middle East than Trump, you just want her to win regardless and cross fingers she doesn't invade Iran?

wtf?

A necessary part of my hope is that Harris wins.

If she doesn't I have no such hope.


I can only think you got confused on this bit

You said

Prosecutor cop Harris is more likely to escalate than pursue peace.

I agreed. It's still not a microscopic hope that she will pursue peace

It was never anyhting whatsoever to do with trump.


by Crossnerd k

We know what you mean when you say zionists that way, Mets.

I’m just letting you know it will take probably one more of those and I just send you away again for the complete inability to listen or change. Don’t piss away your unearned freebie.

And we know what they mean when they say it

At least I do


by metsandfinsfan k

And we know what they mean when they say it

At least I do

Do you want to stay here and post within the guidelines, or should I see you out again? It’s up to you.


Sorry about your loss, Blue


by metsandfinsfan k

And we know what they mean when they say it

At least I do

I mean Joe Biden et al


by microbet k

I think no regular poster itt is Muslim, maybe one person max.

I'm Jewish. I think Boids is. CN has Jewish family, but not sure whether she is Jewish herself. Rafiki and Mets are Jewish, but no longer here. I assume the new Israeli guy is Jewish. I may have missed one or two, but maybe not.

Why would a non Muslim or non Arabs support the Palestinian as passionately as these people do?


by mongidig k

Why would a non Muslim or non Arabs support the Palestinian as passionately as these people do?

It's the "cause celebre" of Marxists everywhere and has been for decades.

"Real leftists" have been propal since forever in Italy for example. It was a way to be anti-USA with the additional benefit of the antisemitic dog whistle (depending on the people).

Meanwhile Arabs and muslims mostly don't care about Palestinians.


by mongidig k

Why would a non Muslim or non Arabs support the Palestinian as passionately as these people do?

It's such a deeply revealing question.


by chezlaw k

It's such a deeply revealing question.

its the dead babies we have seen for the last year. turns out that us insane people dont like seeing dead babies in the morning and before bed.



I know it's just campaigning but at least it's the right noise

Kamala Harris is currently speaking at rally at Michigan State University in East Lansing.

“I will do everything in my power to end the war in Gaza.” Harris says.

This is a very deliberate opening message in Michigan, home to the US’s largest Arab-American population.


by Luciom k

It's the "cause celebre" of Marxists everywhere and has been for decades.

"Real leftists" have been propal since forever in Italy for example. It was a way to be anti-USA with the additional benefit of the antisemitic dog whistle (depending on the people).

Meanwhile Arabs and muslims mostly don't care about Palestinians.

I think Muslims care but they know that the Palestinians would cause them trouble if they took them in. The bottom line is the Palestinians need to chill the F out!


by chezlaw k

I know it's just campaigning but at least it's the right noise

Israel survival depends on Trump winning this election. I'm sure they are working towards making this happen.


by chezlaw k

It's such a deeply revealing question.

What's revealing about it?


by mongidig k

Israel survival depends on Trump winning this election. I'm sure they are working towards making this happen.

That's way overstating it but it is a gamble that netanyahu has exposed israel to.


by mongidig k

What's revealing about it?

That it's so part of how some think that they can't really put themselves in the minds of those that dont care based on race/etc


by chezlaw k

I know it's just campaigning but at least it's the right noise

seems almost exactly the same as what she's been saying the entire time, but she isn't gonna do anything other than telling everyone opposed to israel to surrender and die


by chezlaw k

That it's so part of how some think that they can't really put themselves in the minds of those that dont care based on race/etc

I understand caring. I'm wondering why these people are so passionate about this particular topic. I don't like seeing people die but I don't need to be in this forum all day every day reminding everybody what I think.


by 72off k

seems almost exactly the same as what she's been saying the entire time, but she isn't gonna do anything other than telling everyone opposed to israel to surrender and die

It's more "surrender or die".


by 72off k

seems almost exactly the same as what she's been saying the entire time, but she isn't gonna do anything other than telling everyone opposed to israel to surrender and die

It's a long shot but the price is excellent as it's basically a free roll


by mongidig k

I understand caring. I'm wondering why these people are so passionate about this particular topic. I don't like seeing people die but I don't need to be in this forum all day every day reminding everybody what I think.

I've addressed before. As with South Africa, an excellent job has been done at keeping it the focus. Similarly for a while with Ethiopia.

Why we're still dedicated to 2+2 forums is a job for a psychiatrist


by mongidig k

I think Muslims care but they know that the Palestinians would cause them trouble if they took them in. The bottom line is the Palestinians need to chill the F out!

Many Muslim people care because the propaganda they consume tells them they should care. If MAGA was 75% of the people in the US, that would be pretty equivalent to the Muslim world as far as supporting a tribal, zero sum xenophobic, authoritarian, non-liberal worldview.

The leadership of pretty much every Muslim nation realizes the Palestinian cause is toxic, corrupt, dysfunctional and understand there is pretty much no upside to anything more than lip service. The IRI and its proxies fund Palestinian militant groups as a means to weaken Israel, but care nothing for the people and do nothing good for the people.

The Palestinians themselves are victims of tremendously corrupt western leftists and Islamist propagandists; that cynically manipulate and use them for their own ends.

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