Israel/Palestine thread

everything is factually wrong in this post. literally everything.

. The 6% Israel was to keep was all spread out like a snake - the 4% area that Israel was suppose to keep does not divide anything and is not spread at all. the Palestinian state would have had no interior borders.

The Oslo process was still underway - the first part of the accord- The transfer of civil government to the Palestinians was already done. the second part- the final peace agreement, was never reached. no "process" was still underway.

Likud ended Oslo- this is a complete lie. I cant even bother.

So it's a mendacious like to say the PLO torpedoed Oslo - it is stated black on white in formal PLO and Fatah documents. and Hamas never agreed even to negotiate with Israel. so who is being mendacious ?

I think the Israelis always tactically insisted on hegemony over East Jerusalem, which they knew the Arabs couldn't accept, on account of Jerusalem being the Palestinian Arab capital.

again not true.

Israel rejected the demand to make Jerusalem an international city (whatever that means) and to give full rights on "the old city" to the Palestinians.

East Jerusalem was a compromise Israel was willing to make.

I feel bad for that "hello my enemies" guy. He's not long for the earth.

so now we are reducing ourselves to holocaust deniers?

Soviets didnt do the holocaust

Just on a smaller scale

https://www.timesofisrael.com/20-years-b...

Victor

When was the most recent election in Gaza?
When was the most recent election in The West Bank?
Do you actually want free and fair elections?

I wasnt actually addressing the murder of jews, but the mass extermination of soviets between 1917 and 1953.

I recommend to all to read The Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn. I would rate it as top ten on my list.

Good to see some more pushback on the onslaught of misinformation that’s been allowed to spread throughout the thread.

according to your article it was mostly White Russians and antisemitic local Ukrainians. ie not Soviets.

Area C in blue.

Jordan controlled east Jerusalem for 20 years.
Jews and Christians couldn't worship there
Israel gained control in 1967 and allows Jordan to control the Muslim sites in East Jerusalem to ensure that people of all 3 major religions can worship in Jerusalem

I agree with you. Israel is not giving rights of the Old City to the Palestinians. Ever

I still can't believe you think october 7 is actually about west bank settlements

I was asked to restrain myself from personal attacks, but this is a new level of stupidity.

Had to edit- I just spilled coffee on myself laughing so hard. good thing Im on leave today.

As evidence of Society doing "holocaust" he provided an article about non-Soviets. I think we are starting to see the issue. For some of us words have meaning. For others, well, they don't believe in words.

Do you know who we're the soviets?

Did you read my post and can you address it?

Like you called me a holocaust denier bc I gave mild pushback on the absurd claim that Soviets murdered 60m people.

This is even more ridiculous considering it was the Soviets that stopped the actual Holocaust.

first address the above post by me. then please educate me how many soviets were murdered in the USSR between 1917 and 1953. if you have a different number, please enlighten me.

Solzhenitsyn is turning in his grave right now.

60m probably an exaggeration, but it's still a lot. The Holodomor alone was a genocidal attempt which killed 5-7 million Ukrainians.

Victor, are you aware that Hitler was actually only the third biggest mass-murderer in the 20th century?

some historians have it up to 120M, but that seems a stretch.

Mao is usually capped at around 65, Stalin at around 55-60.

I would guess it's more around 30m

Holomodor killed 7-8 millions of which 4-5 minion Ukrainian.

approx 2m killed in the equivalent 4 year long kazakhi famine.

500-600k cossacks

then a million in the great purge.

then ofc you have to decide how many red army soldiers were used like Cannon fodder on purpose (and so died without rationale when their lives could have been preserved) by leaders that completely disregarded their citizens lives.