Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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That's easy for them to say when they know none of their missiles or drones will reach their target.
drones hit Netanyahus house today fwiw
So Hamas has carte blanch to nip over the border any time they choose, massacre a few thousand Jews, take a few hostages, swap them for a ceasefire, rinse and repeat till there are no more Jews.
do you see where the math isn't mathing there ?
it's more like kill 1000 Jews in Israel and you are losing 100k civilians in Palestine.
do you see where the math isn't mathing there ?
it's more like kill 1000 Jews in Israel and you are losing 100k civilians in Palestine.
Right, but if I'm a civilian Palestinian with an army willing to kill 1 for 100x of my own people for whatever combination of the rightful defense of ending occupation, or to just kill some jewish folk, I'd personally want to shove my fist down Sinwar's throat for being that ****ing dumb and drunk with power.
1, Your Jewish casualties number is wrong.
2, Your Palestinian casualties are wrong.
3, You have not partialled out how many Palestinian casualties were Hamas terrorists.
Al Jazeera's article ...‘Trump would be the worst’: Palestinians react to US presidential race seems to make highlight some points on the matter but personally, I don't see any reasonable scenario where trump makes a difference that favors the Palestinians.
You've got about 10x the amount of causalities in limbo that could get completely wiped out in weeks as all pressure that Biden faces is fully absolved with trump. It could absolutely get a hell of a lot worse.
1, Your Jewish casualties number is wrong.
2, Your Palestinian casualties are wrong.
3, You have not partialled out how many Palestinian casualties were Hamas terrorists.
what are your estimates on your 3 points ?
Right, but if I'm a civilian Palestinian with an army willing to kill 1 for 100x of my own people for whatever combination of the rightful defense of ending occupation, or to just kill some jewish folk, I'd personally want to shove my fist down Sinwar's throat for being that ****ing dumb and drunk with power.
still doesn't make your thesis totally wrong.. Israel will strike back 50x what Hamas is capable of doing .
what Hamas did was super stupid from a normal strategic point , they I'm sure thought that out and have ulterior motives for sacrificing their people .
sorry it was probably posted here already but i can't find itAt US behest, Qatar has ordered Hamas to leave Doha — Biden officialsWashington concluded terror group’s presence in Qatar no longer beneficial after execution of US hostage, subsequent rejections of ceasefire proposals; Doha agreed and told Hamas
unsurprisingly, this turned out to be fake news
do you see where the math isn't mathing there ?
it's more like kill 1000 Jews in Israel and you are losing 100k civilians in Palestine.
I would offer a worst ratio - Kill 1 Israeli in a planned attack (an attack the government or whatever governing power it may be ordered) and risk losing every life.
We do not care about the life to life golden ratio one may have, or any moral reasonable response. We care about our safety and wellbeing.
I've seen some comments on YouTube on the war in the north, that are extremely untrue. Mostly from Scott Ritter.
I'll give you some info – we have more than achieved our goals on all fronts. Every village or military infrastructure that our division was going to operate in this maneuver has already been dealt with completely.
Sadly, we suffered some casualties. less than 20. We have confirmed killed 500+ Hezbollah operative, including 200+ from Radwan force
0 tanks lost in our division, 0 D9 lost, 2 jeeps and one truck.
typical MO of colonial nations was to massacre X number of civilians for every soldier or settler lost. industrialized nations did it as well but I dont think those comparisons are allowed itt.
I had always thought that current educated people condemned such acts but boy have I learned a lot about the average modern Westerner.
typical MO of colonial nations was to massacre X number of civilians for every soldier or settler lost. industrialized nations did it as well but I dont think those comparisons are allowed itt.
I had always thought that current educated people condemned such acts but boy have I learned a lot about the average modern Westerner.
Trying to shame other people while you cheer on genocidal terrorists is a pretty wild take. Do you.
The constant implication that you can’t say what you want to because of fear of moderation is also old. We all know you’re getting special treatment and basically can say whatever you want. Just go for it.
I already said that historically, the idea of killing X number of civilians as retribution for an attack is considered grotesque. the USA and the Brits and the Germans and the Belgians and the French routinely did this as a matter of policy and it is well documented.
if you dont want to feel shame, then dont glorify such practices.
I already said that historically, the idea of killing X number of civilians as retribution for an attack is considered grotesque. the USA and the Brits and the Germans and the Belgians and the French routinely did this as a matter of policy and it is well documented.
if you dont want to feel shame, then dont glorify such practices.
If you kill them on purpose as retribution yes. Like the fosse ardeatine massacre in Rome during WW2, where Nazis killed like 350 completely innocent people taken at random because 35 Nazis had been killed by partisans.
But killing them as collateral damage in operations that are necessary to kill the enemy has literally nothing to do with that.
I already said that historically, the idea of killing X number of civilians as retribution for an attack is considered grotesque. the USA and the Brits and the Germans and the Belgians and the French routinely did this as a matter of policy and it is well documented.
if you dont want to feel shame, then dont glorify such practices.
Israel has tried more measured responses, and diplomacy many times leading up to today. At a certain point one has to take a more pragmatic approach. Hamas could have ended this at any point by giving back the hostages and disarming themselves.
If you kill them on purpose as retribution yes. Like the fosse ardeatine massacre in Rome during WW2, where Nazis killed like 350 completely innocent people taken at random because 35 Nazis had been killed by partisans.
But killing them as collateral damage in operations that are necessary to kill the enemy has literally nothing to do with that.
the "enemy" of the Israelis is, and always has been, all of the Palestinian men women and children. and that is exactly who they are killing.
2m Arab citizens of Israel that share the same ancestors with the "Palestinians" prove you are wrong.
second class citizens. and many in Israel want to genocide them too.
