Israel/Palestine thread
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Israel not exterminating all Palestinians within a few months is not evidence against genocide. Many genocides such as the holocaust took place over several years.
Israel's goal is not to get rid of Gaza civilians regardless of how you spin it
If hamas surrenders and the hostages are released Israel this would be over
there are lots of reasons for why the war is a war and NOT GENOCIDE, but one is the tendency of hamas supporters to lie about casualty numbers way over and above that which is reported by hamas itself (which is more than likely propaganda to begin with), and their general refusal to acknowledge that there is any distinction between civilian and combatant casualties
if there was an actual genocide going on they wouldn't have to lie so much!
Israel is set to annex the West Bank and steal the north of Gaza. the whole point of their existence is to expand and steal more land. maybe they dont want to get rid of all of the civilians. maybe they want to keep some cheap labor around.
Seems like one of Israel's main goals is to depopulate parts of Gaza so the settlers can move in.
right, I dont understand this game that Westerners play with denying reality. Israeli politicians, society, and media are very clear on their plans.
what are these people going to say in a few years when settlements start going up in Gaza and possibly Lebanon? I predict they will change tunes and say that Israel and the Jews deserve the land bc of the typical bullshit reasons.
Seems like one of Israel's main goals is to depopulate parts of Gaza so the settlers can move in.
It seems that way to you maybe but that's not true at all
Why hadn't Israel attacked before October 7th?
Why did Israeli hand out 170,000 work permits to Gaza before October 7th
Israel and Gaza were peaceful coexisting
So much so that Israel was caught off guard
Israel wants to be safe and wants security
The west bank doesn't even have the same government as Gaza
It seems that way to you maybe but that's not true at all
Why hadn't Israel attacked before October 7th?
Why did Israeli hand out 170,000 work permits to Gaza before October 7th
Israel and Gaza were peaceful coexisting
So much so that Israel was caught off guard
Israel wants to be safe and wants security
Oh cool, I love it when people try to pretend the Israeli-Palestinian conflict began on October 7 2023
This ruling encourages nations to use their civilians as shields knowing that if civilians die the icc backs them up
This ruling also greatly helps Netenyahu politically
Great job
You say this as if it's commonplace for people around the world to live in fear of genocide. It isn't. Israel is a rogue terrorist state, its leaders should be tried for war crimes, and the ICC agrees with me and not you.
Maybe think about what it is you're supporting and how it puts you firmly on the wrong side of history.
the word ceasefire has completely changed meaning to the Western/White world. it simply means that Israel is allowed to kill whoever they want and no one can fire back. we just saw another example of this with the Hochstein dog and pony show in Lebanon the last few days.
the Empire is not only destroying civilizations but also destroying language.
the word ceasefire has completely changed meaning to the Western/White world. it simply means that Israel is allowed to kill whoever they want and no one can fire back. we just saw another example of this with the Hochstein dog and pony show in Lebanon the last few days.
the Empire is not only destroying civilizations but also destroying language.
hamas breaking the ceasefire on oct 7 with their rape and murder spree was the cause of the current explosion of violence in the region
I think you are being naive to put so much of this on Bibi. I will continue to cite the repeated surveys were 80-90% of Jewish Israelis support the war as it is being waged.
I put it on him as the leader.
I'm sure there are plenty who genuinely support it but we always see populations supporting their own country at times of war. It doesn't make them all bad people.
People also get corrupted. We've seen how the situation has dragged the views of isaraeli supporters along. Most would (or did) scoff at the idea that israel would behave the way they have. Now it's 'there was no alternative'.
I put it on him as the leader.
I'm sure there are plenty who genuinely support it but we always see populations supporting their own country at times of war. It doesn't make them all bad people.
People also get corrupted. We've seen how the situation has dragged the views of isaraeli supporters along. Most would (or did) scoff at the idea that israel would behave the way they have. Now it's 'there was no alternative'.
history shows that you are wrong. this sort of thing has been supported for decades. its a principle of their country. similar to how slaughtering natives was/is a principle to the USA and Britain and France and the rest.
I disagree history very rarely shows people not supporting their country at times of war
not trying to speak well of Americans, but at least half the country opposed the Iraq genocide.
regardless, Israel has been at war from day 1. so I guess we kind of agree. I just dont really give them as much of a pass as you do and think that many in the country should be charged with war crimes.
? There was overwhelming support for the Iraq invasion and W handily won re-election. Americans love that ****.
I was thinking specifically in the run up to the war.
you are right that after the initial invasion it spiked into the 70%.
but then it fell quickly too.
again, I am not going to stand up for Americans bc 55-65% support of a genocide is grotesque but its a far cry from the support in the Israeli Jewish demographic for this war.
not trying to speak well of Americans, but at least half the country opposed the Iraq genocide.
regardless, Israel has been at war from day 1. so I guess we kind of agree. I just dont really give them as much of a pass as you do and think that many in the country should be charged with war crimes.
The US invasion of Iraq was a genocide
You're wrong as usual but at least you are consistent
Israel's goal is not to get rid of Gaza civilians regardless of how you spin it
If hamas surrenders and the hostages are released Israel this would be over
so naive to think this is still about the hostages .
IDF and Bibi care little about them other than to keep people like you thinking this is why 40000 Palestinian civilians are being killed.
so naive to think this is still about the hostages .
IDF and Bibi care little about them other than to keep people like you thinking this is why 40000 Palestinian civilians are being killed.
We don't know how many civilians were killed because they count military as civilians
Israel was giving more and more work permits every year to Gaza
Israel was at peace with hamas. Israel had not fired anything at Gaza in years
They gave gazans 170,000 work permits
10% of the gazan population was crossing the border every day to work before oct 7
10%
Then october 7th happened
And isreal responded
You acting like Israel wants Gaza is what is naive
I just gave you facts. Please dispute any of them
