Israel/Palestine thread
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I think you are being naive to put so much of this on Bibi. I will continue to cite the repeated surveys were 80-90% of Jewish Israelis support the war as it is being waged.
Why wouldn't they. They have been under the threat of rocket attack, Jihad, Intifada, rapes etc. for many years. Now their enemies are getting what they deserve. They aren't happy with Bibi with how Oct 7th went down but they are loving what they are seeing now.
The West Bank will eventually be under full Israeli control one way or another. The settlements are growing exponentially by the day. No Arab is his right mind will want to continue to live there. It makes sense for Israel to allow this since they can't allow the terrorists to have the high ground. Also, the West Bank is historical Jewish land.
Obviously you don’t see this as a problem for the other side , especially when you say you want to live peacefully with your neighbors when in actually u just focus of gaining those lands, not to be neighbors but owners and them living under your laws .
Historically the U.S. is native indigenous land …
You think that matters ?
And that depends which century you choose too .
Such a bad reason to promote those kind of ideas…
Why wouldn't they. They have been under the threat of rocket attack, Jihad, Intifada, rapes etc. for many years. Now their enemies are getting what they deserve. They aren't happy with Bibi with how Oct 7th went down but they are loving what they are seeing now.
I ask previously to another poster, didn’t answer .
When enough is enough ?
You have any endgame goals in mind since for you we aren’t there yet ?
What are they ?
1 millions, 2 millions dead arabs ?
Eradication of Liban, Iran, Palestine?
All of the above ?
Ps: maybe you need that magic numbers of 6 millions being done by them Instead of them being a victim of it for making it even towards humanity ?
Tho I don’t know what humanity you could be referring too reaching that number ..
I ask previously to another poster, didn’t answer .
When enough is enough ?
You have any endgame goals in mind since for you we aren’t there yet ?
What are they ?
1 millions, 2 millions dead arabs ?
Eradication of Liban, Iran, Palestine?
All of the above ?
Ps: maybe you need that magic numbers of 6 millions being done by them Instead of them being a victim of it for making it even towards humanity ?
Tho I don’t know what humanity you could be referring too reaching that number ..
Enough is when Israel's sworn enemies agree to give up their stated goal of destroying Israel and instead agree to lay down their arms and make peace. NOT cease fire. Peace.
Until then, **** 'em. They are getting exactly what they deserve.
If you know someone who tells you to your face their goal is to kill you, and the world tells you to stop engaging in self defense, then you ignore the world. The only self defense against a people whose goal is to bring death and destruction to Israel is to bring death and destruction to them first.
We have a thread on it soemwhere but the ICJ has issued arrest warrant for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity. That's about as serious as it gets
Of course he has the right to defend himself from these charges. I very much doubt he will exercise that right.
Yes but apart from the war crimes and the crimes against humanity what has he done that was so bad really ?
In the 1970s, I met one of [redacted due to moderation rules] leading propagandists, [redacted due to moderation rules], whose epic films glorified the [redacted due to moderation rules]. We happened to be staying at the same lodge in Kenya, where she was on a photography assignment, having escaped the fate of other friends of the [redacted due to moderation rules]. She told me that the ‘patriotic messages’ of her films were dependent not on ‘orders from above’ but on what she called the ‘submissive void’ of the [redacted due to moderation rules] public.
Did that include the liberal, educated bourgeoisie? I asked. ‘Yes, especially them,’ she said.
I think of this as I look around at the propaganda now consuming Western societies.
John Pilger, 2022
Yes but apart from the war crimes and the crimes against humanity what has he done that was so bad really ?
I focus on the good he has done. I don't wake up and google pictures of dead children. Bibi is finally taking out Hamas and the 30 other terrorist brigades in Gaza. He is finally taking out the threat from the north. He has neutered Iran. These are awful times for the "Palestinians" but great times for the Israelis. Hopefully this will be a paradigm shift for the "Palestinians". Hopefully they have learned their lesson not to mess with Israel.
If you deny that tens of thousands of children have been targetted and killed I can direct you to some photographic evidence to enable you to be more balanced in your views.
Also, focussing on "the good" a mass murderer has done doesn't get them off the murder charges. You are not very good at this.
I focus on the good he has done. I don't wake up and google pictures of dead children. Bibi is finally taking out Hamas and the 30 other terrorist brigades in Gaza. He is finally taking out the threat from the north. He has neutered Iran. These are awful times for the "Palestinians" but great times for the Israelis. Hopefully this will be a paradigm shift for the "Palestinians". Hopefully they have learned their lesson not to mess with Israel.
Hezbollah is hitting deeper and deeper into Israel and just bombed Tel Aviv the other day. Iran rained missiles down directly on targets without much effort. the Gazan Resistance is still manufacturing weapons and killing soldiers.
I am not sure where you are getting your info but Israel has not come close to achieving any of the things you have said.
If you deny that tens of thousands of children have been targetted and killed I can direct you to some photographic evidence to enable you to be more balanced in your views.
Also, focussing on "the good" a mass murderer has done doesn't get them off the murder charges. You are not very good at this.
You are the one crying wolf on "genocide" and "mass murder". What I see is the "Palestinians" ****ed around and found out. This was an unforced error and now their lives are ruined. I feel horrible for the innocent children who have suffered. I blame Hamas and their parents who hate Israel more than they love their own kids. Gaza could have been a beautiful vacation destination but they used the money given to them to support terror. Israel is finally fighting with both hands after being the target of terrorism for many years. They are removing the many enemies they have and this unfortunately will end in the deaths of many innocent people.
Hezbollah is hitting deeper and deeper into Israel and just bombed Tel Aviv the other day. Iran rained missiles down directly on targets without much effort. the Gazan Resistance is still manufacturing weapons and killing soldiers.
I am not sure where you are getting your info but Israel has not come close to achieving any of the things you have said.
Allah Akbar. Glory to the martyrs. Allah willing, soon all of Quds will be liberated from the Yahood, from the river to the sea.
This is why Israel must destroy their enemies. Because the Islamists of Palestine, IRI and all its proxies wont stop. Any respites are understood as strategic and temporary. They sincerely believe they are on a holy mission ordained by Allah to destroy Israel. And if Israel wants to survive, they must win.
If civilization itself is to survive, the dual cancers of Islamism and anti-civiliizational progressivism must be defeated. I am pessimistic it will happen, but the people of the west are slowly waking up to what is going on. Hence the results of the last US presidential election.
Now I am not arguing Trump himself is the solution. He is too flawed. But his election at least represents an acknowledgement of the problem.
Hezbollah is hitting deeper and deeper into Israel and just bombed Tel Aviv the other day. Iran rained missiles down directly on targets without much effort. the Gazan Resistance is still manufacturing weapons and killing soldiers.
I am not sure where you are getting your info but Israel has not come close to achieving any of the things you have said.
One fragment from one bomb landed in Tel Aviv. Iran's missile barrage managed to kill just one person, a Palestinian. Until the terrorists in Gaza hand over the hostages and give up more innocent civilians will die. Hezbollah is begging for a ceasefire.
There is still work to be done but much has been accomplished. Remember when they said if Israel attacked Hezbollah 150k missiles would be shot back at them? Well that's not happening. Hezbollah's entire leadership has been eliminated.
Allah Akbar. Glory to the martyrs. Allah willing, soon all of Quds will be liberated from the Yahood, from the river to the sea.
This is why Israel must destroy their enemies. Because the Islamists of Palestine, IRI and all its proxies wont stop. Any respites are understood as strategic and temporary. They sincerely believe they are on a holy mission ordained by Allah to destroy Israel. And if Israel wants to survive, they must win.
If civilization itself is to survive, the dual cancers of I
I think the people saw all of the Palestinian protests/riots/highway blockings and realized what Israel is up against. The idea that these people could take over a campus and dictate where or where not Jews could go was the final straw.
One fragment from one bomb landed in Tel Aviv. Iran's missile barrage managed to kill just one person, a Palestinian. Until the terrorists in Gaza hand over the hostages and give up more innocent civilians will die. Hezbollah is begging for a ceasefire.
There is still work to be done but much has been accomplished. Remember when they said if Israel attacked Hezbollah 150k missiles would be shot back at them? Well that's not happening. Hezbollah's entire leadership has been eliminated.
Iran and Hezbollah are not trying to do a bunch of mass murder. they value life much more than Westerners. they are attacking military installations and infrastructure that is used by the Israeli regime to murder Arabs.
The mission will be accomplished when they stop launching missiles and move back far enough to not being a threat. When the 80 thousand Israelis can come back to their homes in the north we can talk. It's funny how nobody talks about what they have been through in the last year plus. The decapitation of the leadership is just one step in the elimination of Hezbollah. There is still work to be done.
Iran and Hezbollah are not trying to do a bunch of mass murder. they value life much more than Westerners. they are attacking military installations and infrastructure that is used by the Israeli regime to murder Arabs.
There were 30 thousand Hezbollah terrorists prepared to attack Israel on Oct 7th but the attack was thwarted. The plan was to kill as many Israelis as possible and then meet their Hamas brothers in the middle. They all chant "From the river to the sea". What do you think they mean by that?
The mission will be accomplished when they stop launching missiles and move back far enough to not being a threat. When the 80 thousand Israelis can come back to their homes in the north we can talk. It's funny how nobody talks about what they have been through in the last year plus. The decapitation of the leadership is just one step in the elimination of Hezbollah. There is still work to be done.
Any idea what the final body count is gonna look like when we declare Mission Accomplished? We gonna kill all 2 million Palestinians plus a bunch of Lebanese?
