[Bodog/Bovada/Ignition] Unofficial Thread

[Bodog/Bovada/Ignition] Unofficial Thread

This thread is to separate the Bovada-related comments and questions from the Official Bodog Support Thread, which is th

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21 December 2011 at 09:36 PM
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by skiier04

After a brief look at your video I'm afraid it's true....

That you suck at poker.

What was rigged about calling an overbet pot jam OTT 3 way with AK on a AJJ8 board and a player left behind? Then jamming the Q river after the THIRD player also calls. (They had QJ).

My Q10 vs A10 hand was an even worse play, there are certainly multiple spots where I punted. Does not change the fact that there are like 20 incredibly low frequency events that take place in 2 hours. I don't see why you need to resort to ad hominems and bad faith arguments in order to illustrate your point.


[QUOTE=tarheels2222;58844432]Yes, because no one believes you or agrees with you.

Which is why I am continuing this crusade.


Then take it somewhere else. This isn’t the thread for it.


by tarheels2222

Then take it somewhere else. This isn’t the thread for it.

If Bovada is rigged, why wouldn't this be the perfect place to talk about it?


I'm willing to negotiate a significant cash prize for anyone who wants to prove me wrong using my own hands. If I am proven wrong, ban me on here.


it is in fact standard variance

but it probably feels worse because you're not a winning player and you feel like you should be winning

that said I still need help with the tracking hands thing


by Xenoblade

it is in fact standard variance

but it probably feels worse because you're not a winning player and you feel like you should be winning

that said I still need help with the tracking hands thing

The drivehud2 ui is a bit cringe, but its cheap and doesn't require an external hand grabber. It does pretty much everything you'd expect a tracker to do.


by PhillipBeege12

I'm willing to negotiate a significant cash prize for anyone who wants to prove me wrong using my own hands. If I am proven wrong, ban me on here.

Escrow the money and explain explicitly what you want to be proved and I'll give it a shot.


by yellowelevator

The drivehud2 ui is a bit cringe, but its cheap and doesn't require an external hand grabber. It does pretty much everything you'd expect a tracker to do.

aaah thanks


by Xenoblade

it is in fact standard variance

but it probably feels worse because you're not a winning player and you feel like you should be winning

that said I still need help with the tracking hands thing

I am a slightly winning player online at these stakes, but nice try. Much better live.


by Rolled High, Bro

Escrow the money and explain explicitly what you want to be proved and I'll give it a shot.

I don't exactly know what is possible to prove and what isn't so this can be disscussed further: I will pay $200 if you can prove that I am not in the big blind when a table starts heads up or either blind when a table starts 3+ at a highly improbable rate, $200 if stack sizes in cash games are randomly distributed, $200 if there is no correlation between tanking and table changes in MTTs, $200 if stack sizes in MTTs are randomly distributed, and another $200 if you can prove all 4.

I didn't bring my computer with me to vegas so this will have to start in 2 weeks. Willing to escrow the money but will need to talk on zoom or something with whoever wants to take this on.


by PhillipBeege12

If Bovada is rigged, why wouldn't this be the perfect place to talk about it?

Because there is a dedicated thread on this forum for you and other poker losing conspiracy theorists who claim on-line poker is rigged.

This is definitely NOT the thread for it, newbie..


by Stu Ungar

Because there is a dedicated thread on this forum for you and other poker losing conspiracy theorists who claim on-line poker is rigged.

This is definitely NOT the thread for it, newbie..

Yet another user in here who cannot hold a disscussion without being rude and insecure. Why do you feel the need to tap the glass?

I'm offering $1,000 to someone who can prove me wrong. If there are better places on here to post this challenge, please let me know.


by PhillipBeege12

I don't exactly know what is possible to prove and what isn't so this can be disscussed further: I will pay $200 if you can prove that I am not in the big blind when a table starts heads up or either blind when a table starts 3+ at a highly improbable rate, $200 if stack sizes in cash games are randomly distributed, $200 if there is no correlation between tanking and table chan

The person who waits at the table will always be dealt the button, and the person who joins a table heads up will always be given the big blind. Can I DM you a bitcoin address or?


by yellowelevator

The person who waits at the table will always be dealt the button, and the person who joins a table heads up will always be given the big blind. Can I DM you a bitcoin address or?

This still should occur roughly 50% of the time.


by PhillipBeege12

This still should occur roughly 50% of the time.

That's just how the site works. The player who waits at the table will be given the button, the player joining will be dealt the big blind. If you have a problem with it then you can take it up with ignition support. I don't know how to answer any other of your questions. Can I have my bitcoin now?


by yellowelevator

That's just how the site works. The player who waits at the table will be given the button, the player joining will be dealt the big blind. If you have a problem with it then you can take it up with ignition support. I don't know how to answer any other of your questions. Can I have my bitcoin now?

Awesome, this should be very easy for someone to prove and claim their $200 then.


by PhillipBeege12

Awesome, this should be very easy for someone to prove and claim their $200 then.

Yes, all anyone has to do is join an empty table and wait for a player to join. You will get the button every time. I guess I'll never see my bitcoin though :/


by yellowelevator

Yes, all anyone has to do is join an empty table and wait for a player to join. You will get the button every time. I guess I'll never see my bitcoin though :/

You haven't even made a claim that contradicts my claim, much less proven anything.


by PhillipBeege12

You haven't even made a claim that contradicts my claim, much less proven anything.

Your claim was uncontradictable. The player who joins heads up will always be dealt the big blind and is independent of your idea that Bovada was somehow doing this nefariously. Its ok though, I actually didn't expect to see my bitcoin anyway. No one has any reason to believe you'd honor any of your outstanding bounties now as well. If you really believe bonition is rigged, there is nothing preventing you from playing anywhere else. Have a nice day.


I'm going to let this sit for a couple weeks, this will be my last reply until then. If anyone wants to take on my challenge, or a modified version of it, please PM me.


by yellowelevator

Your claim was uncontradictable. The player who joins heads up will always be dealt the big blind and is independent of your idea that Bovada was somehow doing this nefariously. Its ok though, I actually didn't expect to see my bitcoin anyway. No one has any reason to believe you'd honor any of your outstanding bounties now as well. If you really believe bonition is rigged, the

Did you miss the part where I offered to escrow $1,000?


by PhillipBeege12

Yet another user in here who cannot hold a disscussion without being rude and insecure. Why do you feel the need to tap the glass?

I'm offering $1,000 to someone who can prove me wrong. If there are better places on here to post this challenge, please let me know.

I think the burden of proof is on you, show us with statistics how it's rigged

because nobody cares about how you feel about it

feelings are unreliable, the only thing I trust are numbers

let's see your numbers


More garbage collusion in the $215 turbo SNGs. Blatant soft playing, card sharing, and chip dumping. Support doesn't give a **** after providing multiple hands.

This site is a ****ing joke.


by PhillipBeege12

I don't exactly know what is possible to prove and what isn't so this can be disscussed further: I will pay $200 if you can prove that I am not in the big blind when a table starts heads up or either blind when a table starts 3+ at a highly improbable rate, $200 if stack sizes in cash games are randomly distributed, $200 if there is no correlation between tanking and table chan

The problem is, it's impossible (or at least very very difficult) to "prove" that something didn't happen, so you're setting up a logical issue where you can always feel like you won because while you can't prove that you were wronged (because you likely weren't), people can't prove that you weren't, because it's impossible especially with your small sample.

The HU issue has been explained to you. I don't know for a fact that it works like that, but it's very logical because that's how every other site works.

The "randomly distributed" issue is a non-issue, it just makes no sense. There is no random distribution of stacks because poker is a fluid game. If 8 people bust on one table in the same time that 4 people bust on another, the first table is going to have more chips on it. Those chips don't have anywhere outside that one table to go. It's a closed system.

The "tanking and table changes" also makes no sense, and also cannot be proven (or disproven), because the hand histories don't show if you call for time, only if you timeout.

If you'd like to escrow 1k, I'll be glad to run you through an intro to statistics class. If you think you're being cheated, you should be happy that the people cheating you are so bad at cheating that redic win rates are achievable. If you morally cannot get over the fact that you think you're being cheated, I suggest you find a new place to play because that'll be the only thing that soothes you, as it's clear that your complaints are falling on deaf ears. Although I'd guess that any other site you start playing on, you'll find new ways you feel you're being cheated, and at some point it might be time to look inward. Maybe you'll have better luck posting on the 93,000 post "poker is rigged" thread? https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/di...

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