Israel/Palestine thread
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Yes, but the accompanying video was from Ireland.
I just find it funny that a full 20% of the US voting population watched Israel commit horrific crimes and now supports Hamas. Bibi and the Zionists said they were going to eliminate Hamas and now 20% of the most propagandized people in history support them.
I don't think many Americans would like Hamas very much if they met them, or would even live very long after said meeting, given they're mostly infidels. Israel's failure to eliminate Hamas is because they've gone about it the wrong way. It would have required complete re-occupation, assumption of responsibility for the territory pro tem and detailed administrative and military work on the ground, and they couldn't be bothered, so they've just blown stuff up instead, and not surprisingly it hasn't worked out too well.
I don't think many Americans would like Hamas very much if they met them, or would even live very long after said meeting, given they're mostly infidels.
utterly ignorant thing to say. they arent ISIS. those are the guys doing mass murder every day in Syria with the backing of Israel and the West.
thousands of Christians live in Gaza. many non-Muslim Westerners have lived in Gaza over the last 2 decades.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-not-...
Trump ‘not confident’ Gaza hostage-ceasefire deal will hold through all 3 phases
New US president ‘might’ help rebuild Gaza, which has ‘phenomenal location’; Hamas can’t govern Strip – ‘they didn’t exactly run it well’; Israeli-Saudi normalization may come ‘soon’
Not sure we're trusting Israeli media today? Sounds like Hamas out, Yay Israeli-Saudies, prolly this deal won't hold. That's from the Donald himself...
right I hope it holds. seems that Israel wants to go back to doing genocide. I guess we will see. I am glad there is a ceasefire and 100s of innocent Palestinians are being released from captivity. I do understand how that pisses off the Israelis.
I wouldn't take any notice of the Irish, frankly -- those wonderful people whose Taoiseach and President both went out of their way to present their condolences to the German ambassador on the death of Adolf Hitler. This is just a stupid Irish-politics thing where Northern Protestant Unionists tend to support Israel and Northern Catholic Nationalists tend to support Palestinian terrorism and the usual ethno-nationalist idiots in the Republic tend to follow them.
Hamas will never in fact have a br
We've been through this before mate. Ireland was officially neutral, but secretly helped the allies. Nor was the German ambassador at the time a nazi. Otoh, We never had nazis spying for us or attempted to thwart bringing them to justice due to this...unlike some countries.
Jewish leaders are calling for a public inquiry into whether alleged Nazi war criminals were protected from prosecution because they spied for the UK in the Cold War.
It comes after the BBC found that suspected Nazi collaborator Stanislaw Chrzanowski may have worked for MI6.
German officials believe the Telford pensioner may have murdered more than 30 people during World War Two.
But UK police said there was insufficient evidence to prosecute him.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...
Friedrich Buchardt was a clever man, an intellectual and a polymath equally at home practising law or writing papers on economics and geography.
He was also a cold-blooded killer of monstrous proportions.
Here was a man who would go far. He impressed further by supervising the deportation of 80,000 Jews and gipsies to the Chelmno extermination camp.
Promoted to major, he commanded a notorious death squad that came in behind the front line of Nazi military conquests in the Soviet Union to round up and slaughter tens of thousands of Jews and communists.
Einsatzgruppen (death squads) like his killed mercilessly and in large numbers, herding men, women and children from villages and towns to the edge of pits and shooting them in the back of the neck one by one or mowing them down with machine-guns. They murdered without compunction on a medieval scale
For all these activities, Buchardt, a lieutenant-colonel by now, deserved to be condemned as a war criminal and could - almost certainly should - have shared the fate of SS commanders who were hanged or shot at the end of the war.
Instead - as a new book published next week reveals - this unsavoury and unspeakable man with the blood of thousands on his hands was not only allowed to live but was given a job and a future. He was hired as a spy - by, of all people, Britain's MI6.
I would consider such things far, far worse than adopting an officially neutral stance in WW II, while secretly helping the allies.
That said, I've no time for the Irish government's support for Palestine or their ludicrous genocide accusation against Israel, or Irish idiots on social media supporting Hamas.
Hamas made sure to include this infidel in the prisoner swap
she is avowedly secular and doesnt wear a Hijab.
right I hope it holds. seems that Israel wants to go back to doing genocide. I guess we will see. I am glad there is a ceasefire and 100s of innocent Palestinians are being released from captivity. I do understand how that pisses off the Israelis.
Victor, do we agree that Trump is the President that figures Hamas cannot stay in power. But that Kamala was probably going to be fine with them staying in power?
Do we at least agree on that?
when did Kamala say that?
Omg you're impossible, lol
Kamala said there was going to be no change to the Biden agenda. the Biden agenda was 15 months of nearly unlimited weapons to slaughter children.
Trump got at least a temporary reprieve on terms that had been available for over a year. that is a stark difference.
Her priority was not to force Hamas out of power. Her priority was an "acceptable" 2 state solution after peace.
Nowhere was her agenda anything resembling toppling the extreme regimes of the Middle East. Never came up in her platform.
Sounds like Trump will never back 2 state where Hamas is in charge. Obviously neither will Israel.
oh jfc we are doing the two state solution bullshit again
the only way there will be a 2 state solution is when the Palestinian resistance, be it Hamas or whoever may replace them, forces it to happen. just like how it happened in all other national liberation struggles.
Western Supremacist colonizing apartheid regimes do not just grant freedom to the people they are exploiting out of the goodness of their hearts if the oppressed are obsequious enough.
Rafiki, you trying to converse with this guy is something.
Dude thinks terrorists, murderers and rapists are hostages. He’s a lost cause, the hate is too strong.
Kamala Harris insisting on Israeli to defend itself in any two state solution was one of her biggest friction points with the ideological left.
Her simultaneous insistence on two state solution and Israeli right to defend itself almost necessarily means she thinks Hamas needs to be eliminated, at least as it currently exists.
As long as Hamas is around there will be nothing but war between Israel and Gaza. Any talk of a 2 state solution is just moral bloviating. Some genies you just cant put back in the lamp.
Of course as I have said before, Hamas sticking around isn't really a big geopolitical or security issue with Israel at this point. They have become isolated militarily and their war machine has been severely degraded. At this point they are just extortionists, who cant do much more than strut around and steal and terrorize the people of Gaza.
Hamas sticking around is a giant problem for the Palestinians, and greatly negatively impacts their future prospects. But the world has signaled they are perfectly ok with this, so here we are.
You're vastly underestimating Hamas and/or overestimating what could be done vs. a determined adversary with virtually unlimited outside funding with very little regard for the well being of its citizens.
You're vastly underestimating Hamas and/or overestimating what could be done vs. a determined adversary with virtually unlimited outside funding with very little regard for the well being of its citizens.
Underestimating them to do what? What do you think they are going to do in the next 10-20 years if they stay in power beyond being petty local tyrants terrorizing the people of Gaza?
FWIW I think you might be overestimating their funding and supply moving forward. With increased Israel presence and surveillance, destruction of their supply routes, and destruction of their industrial capabilities; I think it is going to be very slow going rebuilding the war machine. I am skeptical they will ever get back to the capabilities they had 10/6/2023.
Israel is going to have tremendous surveillance on Hamas and Gaza moving forward, and are going to have zero tolerance towards Hamas rebuilding the war machine.
Also, I think most of the people who are going to be paying to rebuild Gaza (namely the US, Arab Gulf States, and Western Europe) are going to be very reticent to rebuild Gaza and give Hamas carte blanche to do with it as they please like the last 40 years.
I dont think the unlimited outside funding you are expecting is going to happen at all under a Hamas controlled Gaza moving forward.
Jal, just for good measure, why aren't you reporting on all the recent terror attacks in Israel?
Why an "American"- Moroccan Muslim comes to Israel only to stab civilians?
