Cheating on the gulf coast
What exactly is going on down south, the same stable of players literally has won every event for the past year.. i know i can't be the only one thinking something smells fishy
I have to intervene here.
So, what you're saying, Bamatide88, is that you believe someone on a public forum-whom you've never met in your life-is mentally ill, and you also claim to enjoy the fact that this person has little value in his life
I can't imagine any words that could be posted on a public forum that would make me enjoy someone's suffering, and I consider myself an average person.
It's okay to call each other names and such-I mean, people get emotional; I get it. But unless you want to r
Don't worry about me. I am fine. His response says way more about him than me. I find it entertaining and I am quite sure he doesn't realize how much it is is an indictment of him.
“30 years” is not really a metric when it comes to poker volume. I play hundreds of live tournaments, thousands of online tournaments and millions of hands per year. Put in enough volume and you’ll see it’s not as rare as you think.
I was correctly called down by J high in a live tourney just a couple weeks ago. I was at a table with Michael Rocco past summer when he correctly called down with T high on AAQ54. I see hero calls like this constantly online.
LOL more pretzel twisting.
Why do you think the Robbie Lew hand was such a big deal?
Stop digging. You are looking like an idiot as much as a cheat.
So you think a dealer can just randomly circumvent the cut card on the bottom of the deck to deal an entire setup hand with probably 4 overhead cameras on them in a room with MULTIPLE MTTs going on all while not being in control of which table breaks and what players they are about to get at their table?
Well F@#$ me give me a cape because I'm a damned superhero if I can pull that off..
Idiocy
I have lost count on the number of strawman you created. Can you help me out?
Now a word about chip dumping. I'm much less concerned about it than most people seem to be. The reason is that the math doesn't support it as a viable strategy. According to ICM each additional chip is worth less in real money value than the preceding chips.
Don't take this as disagreement because I really liked your post and think most of what you wrote was accurate and a very good commentary on this thread.
That said, I wanted to pick one nit with your comment on chip dumping.
Chip dumping isn't just about ICM. Having a bigger stack at your table than most of the other players can mean far more than is measured in ICM.
Oh gee thanks for blanket apology and not notifying any of the floor people of your concerns since WE WERE ALL WEARING NAME BADGES... Sweet Jesus in this day and age of just blanket posting any garbage without even a split second of thinking about what you could be doing to someone... gee that's low brow. Do better... you could have done better by voicing your concerns to the people that could have done something about it... and the exact moment it happened... you could have been a hero! could h
Lots of strawman. He didn't say what you claimed. You are oddly defensive about this. Strangely. Almost like you have something to hide.
I am an experienced dealer. Yet I don't get so crazily defensive when someone accuses another dealer of cheating. I fully recognize that there are dealers out there who will cheat. I have first hand knowledge of them. Dealers are no different than any other humans. There are good ones, bad ones, scumbags, and so on.
Did you expect to make accusations against dealers/floors and some dealers not take offense? You really are ****ing stupid. It’s our jobs, our livelihoods. I work with a lot of the same dealers in Iowa, North Carolina, Oklahoma, etc. I have many of those same dealers deal to me when I’m playing in Mississippi and elsewhere. No one likes being called a cheat or having their workplace scrutinized for **** that you can’t even make a plausible argument is actually
Happening. Life must really suck whe
Wow. Digging deeper eh? Not a good look.
I am a dealer. I know lots of dealers. A vast majority are good people who wouldn't cheat. Most wouldn't even know how to cheat. Absolutely.
Vast majority isn't all.
Dealers are human. They are made up from the general human population. That means there are mostly good people but a few are scumbags.
I truly think most dealers are decent people. In fact, I would even be willing to say that a vast majority of dealer cheating accusations are not legit. It is more likely a situation of a bad or confused dealer or circumstances that the accuser does not understand.
That said, I am not naive enough to think dealers never cheat. Money is involved so of course there are those who will cheat. I have seen dealers risk their $150,000 (inflation adjusted) jobs over $75.
You are oddly defensive over an accusation that doesn't even name you.
I agree. I speed every single day when I leave my subdivision. Absolutely no doubt.
However most people realize there is a difference between speeding, jaywalking running a stop sign you didn't see, and running an illegal sportsbook, scamming people with a pump and dump **** coin product.
LOL at the degree people are willing to look like idiots in order to defend the indefensible.
A call with J high is never ever 50% correct. Especially in a tournament. Just because you are willing to look like an idiot doesn't mean we are all willing to nod along and agree with you.
Dunning kruger in full effect that a bluff catch ever has to be correct 50% of the time
Dunning kruger in full effect that a bluff catch ever has to be correct 50% of the time
Irony!!!!
You idiots are digging holes deeper and deeper looking like morons in the meantime.
If you want to have a serious discussion on Dunning-Krueger we can. You will look like an idiot, but more power to you..... please?
If I have learned anything reading all this, it's that poker players like to use straw man alot...I'm an Occam's razor guy myself...
In regard to "why would a winning player want/need to be staked in soft $400s?" Play around with an MTT variance calculator and the answer becomes fairly obvious.
If you play $400s with a 40% ROI with avg field size 500 entries, you still have a 50% risk of ruin with a $105k bankroll. Bump up the avg field size to 1000 and its 50% busto with a $162k bankroll. And that doesn't include travel and those expenses.
If you are trying to support a family at home, selling action/being staked is almost a necessity over the long term.
I tried to do the live circuit grind without backers several years ago, and even had an early $100k bink to give my bankroll a boost. Still lost most of it with one bad WSOP summer and now I am just a weekend grinder, mostly online and the trip over to Cherokee a few times a year for the series.
In regard to "why would a winning player want/need to be staked in soft $400s?" Play around with an MTT variance calculator and the answer becomes fairly obvious.
If you play $400s with a 40% ROI with avg field size 500 entries, you still have a 50% risk of ruin with a $105k bankroll. Bump up the avg field size to 1000 and its 50% busto with a $162k bankroll. And that doesn't include travel and those expenses.
If you are trying to support a family at home, selling action/being staked is a
Man thanks for the explanation! Most of these bar gamers look at one tournament $400. When the guys that are being backed are playing multiple series week after week day after day and firing an absurdly amout of bullets on any given day.
One bad run in one series could be a net loss of 20K or more on the low mid-level series. Now you do that week after week and maybe that will help some of these people put in perspective.
One bad summer in Vegas and you could be pretty much ruined if you are playing at a very high volume like the people I know do.
Also, in a backing situation the backer is going to want pieces of the smaller "easier" events that have a greater probability of profit to help offset larger probability of loss in the larger buy in events such as mains... Vegas.. WPT etc.
A lot of people can't afford to buy in to a $600 10x and do it all over again the next day. That is a HUGE ADVANTAGE when you can take every spot on Day 1 and put MAX PRESSURE on your opponent without having to worry about any financial repercussions. It only has to work once or twice and now you have a huge stack. If it doesn't work... oh well rebuy!
With that advantage I totally understand the jealousy and maybe the rules in some series should be adjusted to address that. However, it's not cheating.
Also, the alleged chip dumping hand with Preston I do not believe that the guy who called with J high was part of the stable. At least that is not how I read it. Now, if indeed that individual was part of "the stable" then yes that would absolutely be worth the discussion 💯.
So it's not just a $400 tournament. Unfortunately, some people can't see past their own personal situations to understand there is a bigger world out there.
Also, the alleged chip dumping hand with Preston I do not believe that the guy who called with J high was part of the stable. At least that is not how I read it. Now, if indeed that individual was part of "the stable" then yes that would absolutely be worth the discussion 💯.
I have no idea who the J high person is because I don’t remember the hand, and the accuser on this thread went silent after I asked any specifics of the hand, the opponent or who was at the table. I’ve talked to some of the more prominent players from STL and they also don’t know anything about the hand. So maybe the accuser could help us out by identifying the “vouchers” he mentioned with 300k+ in earnings who were also at the table?
Side note- it seems a lot of people don’t understand how stables actually work, at least any I’ve ever been a part of. The backer is the only person who has a piece of the individual horses. Stablemates don’t share action and have no incentive to chip dump or collude with each other.
I have no idea who the J high person is because I don’t remember the hand, and the accuser on this thread went silent after I asked any specifics of the hand, the opponent or who was at the table. I’ve talked to some of the more prominent players from STL and they also don’t know anything about the hand. So maybe the accuser could help us out by identifying the “vouchers” he mentioned with 300k+ in earnings who were also at the table?
Side note- it seems a lot of people don’t understand how stab
lol
Stablemates are infinitely more likely to share action than any two other players in a tournament, which in turn gives them more incentive to collude (soft play each other to avoid ICM collisions). Moronic point that just makes you seem more shady. Why do people insist on making over the top false claims when they are already under scrutiny, unless they feel like they have something to hide?
In regard to "why would a winning player want/need to be staked in soft $400s?" Play around with an MTT variance calculator and the answer becomes fairly obvious.
If you play $400s with a 40% ROI with avg field size 500 entries, you still have a 50% risk of ruin with a $105k bankroll. Bump up the avg field size to 1000 and its 50% busto with a $162k bankroll. And that doesn't include travel and those expenses.
If you are trying to support a family at home, selling action/being staked is a
But these are fierce competitors in super soft games. Surely their ROIs are higher than 40 percent.
Now let's use that 40 percent figure. They're making 160 a tournament. And only getting a piece of that. And they're supporting their families on that? Making what 15 bucks an hour?
Seems far more likely they're broke and cheating. The entire thing makes no sense otherwise.
I mean I would agree with you that overall probably 98 percent full time tourney grinders are bustos wasting their time. The math just doesn't math when you factor in ROI and expenses let alone variance.
Of course randomly if you have 1000 people grinding a lot of these things a small number randomly run super hot and win a ton of money. Then the rest stay on the hamster wheel seeing people similarly skilled as them having their big score.
Man thanks for the explanation! Most of these bar gamers look at one tournament $400. When the guys that are being backed are playing multiple series week after week day after day and firing an absurdly amout of bullets on any given day.
One bad run in one series could be a net loss of 20K or more on the low mid-level series. Now you do that week after week and maybe that will help some of these people put in perspective.
One bad summer in Vegas and you could be pretty much ruined if you are pla
Nobody is jealous of bustos firing bullets in small events on other people's dimes. Grinding these circuit series full time sounds like pure torture as does being middle aged with no money and no other skills besides low stakes poker tournaments.
I actually feel bad for anyone in this situation if they are actually honest and ethical.
Stablemates are infinitely more likely to share action than any two other players in a tournament, which in turn gives them more incentive to collude (soft play each other to avoid ICM collisions). Moronic point that just makes you seem more shady. Why do people insist on making over the top false claims when they are already under scrutiny, unless they feel like they have something to hide?
I’m not hiding anything. Just stating the reality of my personal situation. Obviously there are other stables/players that don’t operate the same way, but that has nothing to do with me. I understand the value of anecdotal experiences but rarely are they blanket truths. I’m not here to convince those clinging to a witch hunt. All I can do is state the facts and everyone can take it however they choose.
