Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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My brother just had dinner with a guy who has been a journalist in Gaza. The guy said that there wasn't a home in Gaza that wasn't storing weapons. He also said that Israel will be bombing the Iran Nuclear sites around November 1st when the UN agreement with Iran is over. Stay tuned for more details.
Micro, what you're saying makes no sense. This is one of the resolutions against Korea in 2021. The year Israel had 14 and the rest of the world 5https://docs.un.org/en/A/C.3/76/L.27It relates to the situation of "human rights" in North Korea. That year Syria got ONE, Myanmar ONE, Crimea ONE, Iran ONEAll of those were on the basis of "human rights". Do you believe that in 2021,
You sound like Lucifer whining about how many bans he's had.
I'm giving you a reasonable, certainly a plausible, explanation for why Israel gets hit with a LOT of completely toothless resolutions. The UN is unable to really sanction Israel, so instead, it just keeps wagging its finger at them. It doesn't have the problem of being absolutely unable to do anything else against those other countries.
My brother just had dinner with a guy who has been a journalist in Gaza. The guy said that there wasn't a home in Gaza that wasn't storing weapons. He also said that Israel will be bombing the Iran Nuclear sites around November 1st when the UN agreement with Iran is over. Stay tuned for more details.
Yes, the forum will be hanging on every word of an avowed Andrew Tate fan, mark my words.
Micro here are ALL the UN sponsors vs Israel in 2021 (resolution by resolution). Just do a quick scan, because you'll see the same names over and over generating these resolutions with the UN. It's the same block give or take.
Algeria, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia,
Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of), Yemen and
State of Palestine
Algeria, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia,
Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of), Yemen and
State of Palestine
Senegal and Yemen
Bosnia and Herzegovina, Chile, Costa Rica, Democratic People’s Republic of
Korea, Ecuador, Egypt,* Kenya and Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of)
Bosnia and Herzegovina, Chile, Costa Rica, Democratic People’s Republic of
Korea, Ecuador, Egypt,* Kenya and Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of)
Brunei Darussalam, Cuba, Denmark, Egypt, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait,
Lebanon, Mauritania, Namibia, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, South
Africa, Sweden, Tunisia, Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) and State of
Palestine:
Brunei Darussalam, Cuba, Denmark, Egypt, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait,
Lebanon, Mauritania, Namibia, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, South
Africa, Sweden, Tunisia, Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) and State of
Palestine
Brunei Darussalam, Cuba, Denmark, Egypt, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait,
Lebanon, Mauritania, Namibia, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, South
Africa, Sweden, Tunisia, Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) and State of
Palestine
Cuba, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Namibia, Oman, Qatar, Senegal, Tunisia,
Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) and State of Palestine:
Cuba, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Namibia, Oman, Qatar, Senegal, Tunisia,
Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) and State of Palestine:
Cuba, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Namibia, Oman, Qatar, Senegal, Tunisia,
Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) and State of Palestine:
Do you understand now how absurd your claim is now? Look at the list of sponsor nations for this resolutions vs Israel. Half of them deserve 4-5 resolutions of their own. Look at the country blocks manufacturing these. Lol Venezuela, Iraq, Yemen, Qatar, all these beacons of human rights...
So AGAIN, YES, it's antisemitism. And if you can look at this data and believe otherwise, I'm actually surprised you didn't vote Trump. Because that's his level of dishonesty.
I'm giving you a reasonable, certainly a plausible, explanation for why Israel gets hit with a LOT of completely toothless resolutions. The UN is unable to really sanction Israel, so instead, it just keeps wagging its finger at them. It doesn't have the problem of being absolutely unable to do anything else against those other countries.
we can't do anything through the UN to China and Russia and in the decades they ratched up a lost of horrors that is necessarily far longer than anything you want to ascribe to Israel, if only because of size and clout.
I definitely don't think antisemitism is the only reason.
And, I think asserting there are NO OTHER REASONS goes towards equating everything Israel with Jewishness....which is antisemitic.
Moron,
Are you saying I hadn't thought those things before or are you charging me with making up my own opinions and thoughts?
i'm saying that it sounds like you are making it up as you go along
what makes you think that hezbollah etc are somewhat ignorant of nazi ideology
You think the only country self determined by Jews, gets all these resolutions sponsored by Muslim countries and the countries in their pocket (Venezuela etc), because....not religion?
Man I want to live in your world for a DAY.
Ok ok, Micro:
The Arab countries take Israel by force in a fictional world. They turn it into something very closely resembling say Iran, for human rights. But it's now majority Muslim.
How many resolutions per year now? Because bud, I'd say ZERO. So if it's not religion, I have asteroid insurance to sell you.
we can't do anything through the UN to China and Russia and in the decades they ratched up a lost of horrors that is necessarily far longer than anything you want to ascribe to Israel, if only because of size and clout.
The UN has never been able to do anything real against the USA or USSR/Russia because they have always been on the Security Council. Can't do anything against Israel because USA vetoes anything substantive. And China has been on the Security Council since 1971.
You think the only country self determined by Jews, gets all these resolutions sponsored by Muslim countries and the countries in their pocket (Venezuela etc), because....not religion? Man I want to live in your world for a DAY.Ok ok, Micro:The Arab countries take Israel by force in a fictional world. They turn it into something very closely resembling say Iran, for human right
The only Jewish country in the world is at war with and occupying Muslims. Do you think if the people in Israel doing all of this were Hindus or Christians that the Muslim world would not object?
The only Jewish country in the world is at war with and occupying Muslims. Do you think if the people in Israel doing all of this were Hindus or Christians that the Muslim world would not object?
Muslims object to indian occupation of parts of Kashmir they consider Muslim (Pakistani) areas, the conflict has been ongoing the same time "Palestine" has been a problem, it involves *more people* but it gets one/millionth of the traction because "no Jews no news".
that's the reality of the world
The only Jewish country in the world is at war with and occupying Muslims. Do you think if the people in Israel doing all of this were Hindus or Christians that the Muslim world would not object?
Gaza wasn't an occupation, despite what you'd like it to be. They had every opportunity when Israel withdrew to turn that into a peaceful city state. That was not what they chose. They turned into a battle station. So yeah man, I get it. But let's not pretend like their wasn't another path.
But there are plenty of examples of places killing or torturing Muslims (and at scale) that SHOULD get resolutions too. The problem? They're also Muslim nations...
The only Jewish country in the world is at war with and occupying Muslims. Do you think if the people in Israel doing all of this were Hindus or Christians that the Muslim world would not object?
Yes. Of course. Muslims are in constant war and occupation all over the world. Although in fairness they do most of the occupying, killing and atrocities.
And the world cares very little.
Antisemitism is the main driver of all the anti Israel outage.
Yes. Of course. Muslims are in constant war and occupation all over the world. Although in fairness they do most of the occupying, killing and atrocities.
And the world cares very little.
Antisemitism is the main driver of all the anti Israel outage.
Sanity. Finally sanity!
Muslims object to indian occupation of parts of Kashmir they consider Muslim (Pakistani) areas, the conflict has been ongoing the same time "Palestine" has been a problem, it involves *more people* but it gets one/millionth of the traction because "no Jews no news".
that's the reality of the world
I think you're coming at this from a different direction and I think it's sad if someone like rafiki here just agrees with you because it's convenient in this argument.
You think the only country self determined by Jews, gets all these resolutions sponsored by Muslim countries and the countries in their pocket (Venezuela etc), because....not religion? Man I want to live in your world for a DAY.Ok ok, Micro:The Arab countries take Israel by force in a fictional world. They turn it into something very closely resembling say Iran, for human right
How are Jewish rights in Iran btw?
Gaza wasn't an occupation, despite what you'd like it to be. They had every opportunity when Israel withdrew to turn that into a peaceful city state. That was not what they chose. They turned into a battle station. So yeah man, I get it. But let's not pretend like their wasn't another path. But there are plenty of examples of places killing or torturing Muslims (and at scale) t
This is all irrelevant to the argument and you're making up things I didn't say.
Yes. Of course. Muslims are in constant war and occupation all over the world. Although in fairness they do most of the occupying, killing and atrocities.
And the world cares very little.
Antisemitism is the main driver of all the anti Israel outage.
The world is generally incredibly anti-muslim. Far from "cares very little". Cares very little to help them out maybe
The world is becoming more anti-Israeli because the perception is that Israel is generally doing bad things. I guess this is anti-semitism if you want to make Israel a synonym for the Jewish faith but I don't think most people are doing this. Most people just think of Israel as a country, not a faith.
doesn't crack the top 1000
The world is generally incredibly anti-muslim. Far from "cares very little". Cares very little to help them out maybeThe world is becoming more anti-Israeli because the perception is that Israel is generally doing bad things. I guess this is anti-semitism if you want to make Israel a synonym for the Jewish faith but I don't think most people are doing this.
I would say both highlighted statements are wildly incorrect.
"no Jews no news" is one of the most antisemitic things ever said in this thread, but, because the person saying it thinks Israel should be bombing Gaza, they are consistently supported by the people who call every opponent of the war an antisemite.
? no Jews no news is an expression used to claim that criticism of Israel for anything perceived as improper is infinitely higher, because the purported perpetrators are Jews, because the actual real reason is antisemitism, not the criticism itself which is very subdued when identical (or far worse) things are done by non Jews.
it's the most basic dynamic currently going on
I guess it would be difficult to prove either point.
The US was heavily indoctrinated against the Muslim world for the better part of the 90s and early 2000s. Europe is currently in a culture war against Muslims. Pretty much everywhere that Muslim isn't the dominant religion is heavily biased against Muslim people.
As for Israel being a country more than a faith I would appeal to common sense. This forum isn't a good representation of an average person. All participants here are extreme in one way or another just by virtue of being here.
? no Jews no news is an expression used to claim that criticism of Israel for anything perceived as improper is infinitely higher, because the purported perpetrators are Jews, because the actual real reason is antisemitism, not the criticism itself which is very subdued when identical (or far worse) things are done by non Jews.
it's the most basic dynamic currently going on
Israel makes the news a lot, at the very least, for other reasons as well. Jews, half of whom do not live in Israel, and Jewishness outside of Israeli politics isn't really that big of a news story - outside of a few things like movies/comedy in the USA.
When you say "no jews no news" I suspect it has to do with theories about Jews controlling the media.
