GTO+/CardRunnersEV?
This is the support thread for CardRunnersEV, which is hand EV analysis software.
Hey Scylla,
thx for the update and your constant work on the product. I have a wishlist with features I'd like to see in upcoming updates, maybe you can implement them 😀
1) Option to show EV Loss as fraction of pot: Given a 33% Pot Bet is maxEV, so Solver chooses it pure and it has EV of 1.5. Now we can see other size shows EV of 1.4, which is 0.1 less than B33. Assuming potsize at the node where we can choose to Bet is 5, this would be a potential EV loss of 2% of Pot. I always have to calculate it, to see how much of a potential blunder I am making. Would be way better to see it directly.
Here we can see EV of 88. Maybe with a slider above we can have the option that compares all the sizes/check to each other and how much each would lose compared to maxEV option, but not only in total, but also in fraction of pot.
2) In the statistics Box above where it says pot, stack, Combos etc, include "EQR", Equity realization. I always have to calculate that by hand, it's not a big calc ofc, but would be better to see it directly. Equity*Pot -I nvest - Rake= "EV" but only if realization factor = 1. It doesn't take into account realization which leads to lower/higher EV and which is part of the whole thing. I know that we can see sort of "see" the realization in the graph when we compare equity to EV, but would be more benefitial to see it as a number in the box.
3) Here we can toggle either "Entire decision" or one of the options. Would be cool to have the option to combine what's shown, like here Call and Raise 18 for example, or three of them or whatever.
4) When i want to round let's say a flop cBet node, where I have 3 Sizes and Check and I want to round for 2, I have to manually add that lock to each flop. I have a 400 Flop Database and it is a real pain in the ass to add it to each individual flop. Would be nice to have the option to add rounding for a specific node to the whole database. Maybe we could get the option to also add other locks to whole database, but there will be errors I assume?
5) A bit like the above, but also merging locks would be useful to be able to add to whole databse for certain thresholds. Let's say I have 4 Sizes on the Flop and I want to merge all Sizes that are used <25% of the time to be merged into the most used one. Say there is B10, B25, B50 and B75, where the first three are used 5, 11 and 17% of the time and the last one is used 50% of the time. I now want to simplify my flop strat to only use B75 and therefore I want to merge the other sizings into that size. While this is easily done for one flop, it is again so much work to to it for all flops in the database. I get that there are always way different frequencies for different flops, hence the idea to use some sort of threshold as to when it merges and when not. Hope I could make it somewhat understandable haha.
6) Equity buckets finally arrived in V1.7.6 but I would like to see it in a way tommyaces already suggested. In the pop out graph there is some free space right to the hand class comparison, maybe here we could have bucket side to side comparison?
7) Making the columns/tables "sortable" by EQ, EV, etc top down or so. Like I click on EV and it sorts all hands by EV from top to bottom. I think this was suggested before and there was some complication? Can't recall. But yes, that would be an awesome feature.
8) In the play against solution, when I want to export hands, the format is 0.01/0.02 cents or NL2 for the blinds. Now at least I use 0.5/1 as in SB/BB for my trees and therefore when I load the hands in a tracker it now shows that I am 5000 big blinds deep lol. Would be very appreciated if we woudl have the option to change the "header" of the hand histories so it fits the definitions in the tree, so for my hand histories that would mean 0.5/1 or NL100.
9) Again play against solution, it would be cool to have the option to drill just one node. For example I only want to drill turn cBets. I would have to play the hand till the end, meaning not only the turn cBut, but also the following nodes (vs checkraise, river action...).
10) Third point wrt play against solution, would be cool to change interface here, other felt, chips, button, cards etc as well as having the table as a pop out like the graph thing. Maybe also include multi tabling here. I know we could just open several databases at once, but when we use very large DBs it is not possile to open more than once with 64 GB of RAM and there are instances where we have to use extensive storage ones, otherwise it takes to long for re-calc of later nodes. Like i wanna train flop and turn nodes, when i use basic storage database, it takes a lot of time to calc the turn so i have to use extensive storage database and then ic can't open more than one. Also, could you try to include a timer to simulate real games more?
11) Guess that is all for now, so I will add some "ideas" for the future and maybe you can tell me what are your thoughts on including some of these in the future: a) Basic AI Implemantation, b) Preflop Solving c) Multiway Solving. Esp point a might only be doable with subscription or so, but I think it would be a cool and very future oriented feature 😉 At least I would pay for that, would also pay for some sort of "upgrade" to have preflop/multiway solving.
Thank you again scylla and have a nice day!
Scy, this version isn't working stably.I'm having issues saving my trees, I've lost a day's worth of work, including adding incentives and more.The problem I'm facing is with saving the file.I use CTRL+S and it closes automatically.But the worst part is that, in the same file, I had saved several times before the crash and it registered those saves.However, when it crashes, it
I can't seem to reproduce a crash when storing a savefile.
Most likely I'm testing for a different scenario than the one that you're using.
Does v176 crash consistently for you?
Can you create a file in v174 that crashes for you in v176?
Here is a link to v174: https://londongto.s3-accelerate.amazonaw...
Do you mean that you're pressing CTRL+S while GTO+ is actively performing an operation, and this is what causes the crash?
Can you be more specific which "resolve" operation you're referring to?
"Scy, can I suggest something?If you can see the general agg reports for the flop/turn/river, when there are more than 2 sizing options, it incorrectly shows the turns/river in nodes that don't exist and creates confusion. It needs to be filtered beforehand so that it doesn’t consider them, but it’s a hassle. Could it be considered to ignore options that are <3%, for example?
Ok, we will consider it for future releases.
I can't seem to reproduce a crash when storing a savefile.Does v176 crash consistently for you?Can you create a file in v174 that crashes for you in v176?Here is a link to v174: https://londongto.s3-accelerate.amazonaw...Probably yes. V174 or lower (old DB)Do you mean that you're pressing CTRL+S while GTO+ is actively performing an operation, and this is what caus
Yes. when is activelu perfoming an operation, sorry
I really liked And appreciate the changes you made in the last update, I would be happy if the next update you would make the charts bigger and also the board above, which would be more similar to gto w, I don't take it for granted, thank you
We can use larger cards for the board, but I don't think there's enough room to make the charts bigger.
Scylla, Nice work thank you for the improvements. Regarding equity buckets, more useful imho would be to break down the equity into buckets that have specific metrics in increments of 10 or 20%. Here is a ss I built from equity data. Ultimately most useful would be to compare the equity buckets from both ranges side by side. I don't understand what is being displayed by the ne
The equity buckets can be customized by pressing the "Customize" icon.
Statistics can display equity buckets by selecting "Equity" and using "Bucket" output.
The graph that you're displaying currently does not exist in the program, but is basically the same as the range vs range graph.
Hey Scylla,thx for the update and your constant work on the product. I have a wishlist with features I'd like to see in upcoming updates, maybe you can implement them 😀1) Option to show EV Loss as fraction of pot: Given a 33% Pot Bet is maxEV, so Solver chooses it pure and it has EV of 1.5. Now we can see other size shows EV of 1.4, which is 0.1 less than B33. Assuming potsize
Ok, this is a long list of requests, and for time's sake, I won't go over them.
I will however make a note of your requests, and we may circle back to them for future releases.
Ok, can you send a savefile to support, with a description of which operation is being performed while pressing CTRL+S?
I'll see if we can prevent a crash.
That being said, I think for most programs it's probably not advisable to create a savefile while it's working on calculations.
Ok, can you send a savefile to support, with a description of which operation is being performed while pressing CTRL+S?
I'll see if we can prevent a crash.
That being said, I think for most programs it's probably not advisable to create a savefile while it's working on calculations.
Share on GDrive! There are 2 tmp-type files left, why does this happen? I’ve sent them to you anyway.
Thanks ind advance
Scylla,
"The graph that you're displaying currently does not exist in the program, but is basically the same as the range vs range graph."
I don't believe equity buckets are present in the range comparison window. Also, if we edit the heatmap colors we have to remember what each color represents. It would be easier to read if there was a scale present and ultimately in the range comparison window.
That being said It looks like you have done an enormous amount of work on the latest version and I very much appreciate it.
Also, I don't see a way to compare equity buckets at the root node on flop for both ranges.
This range vs range sub window could have an equity buckets comparison view laid out in increments just like hand classes, maybe being able to toggle between hand classes and equity buckets.
This view if selected from root flop node currently displays both ranges before any flop actions comparing hand classes. I suggest adding an equity bucket view.
This range vs range sub window could have an equity buckets comparison view laid out in increments just like hand classes, maybe being able to toggle between hand classes and equity buckets.This view if selected from root flop node currently displays both ranges before any flop actions comparing hand classes. I suggest adding an equity bucket view.
For the moment, the toggle in the upper left of the tool ("Strategy/EV/equity") will switch the display between the classic output, EV and equity output.
We can see if we can add further customization for future releases.
Hello. I created a new database, the solver calculates everything well. But when I click "Export this subtree to new window" and choose another sizing, I get a 100% check and I can't calculate.
It's very strange but it only works for me when a player out of position makes a bet. If I choose other sizings in position, the solver does everything correctly.
Hello. I created a new database, the solver calculates everything well. But when I click "Export this subtree to new window" and choose another sizing, I get a 100% check and I can't calculate.It's very strange but it only works for me when a player out of position makes a bet. If I choose other sizings in position, the solver does everything correctly.
Ok, can you send a savefile to support?
Scylla,
I am node locking villain's response to Flop bet working with 49 flop subset DB.
Is it possible to globally adjust villain's calling frequency by equity without going into each solve in the DB.
Say I wanted him call with anything that has 30% equity and fold or raise all that has less.
Scylla,
I am node locking villain's response to Flop bet working with 49 flop subset DB.
Is it possible to globally adjust villain's calling frequency by equity without going into each solve in the DB.
Say I wanted him call with anything that has 30% equity and fold or raise all that has less.
We currently don't have the functionality to simultaneously edit all trees in a database.
We can consider adding this feature in future releases, although it may turn out that the interface for such a feature is difficult to work with.
Hi Scylla,
I wanted to thank you for the Equity Buckets feature—it has been incredibly useful in developing heuristics and structuring game plans. I was wondering if you would consider adding a similar feature for EV Buckets in GTO+?
The idea is to categorize hands based on their expected value in a given situation, similar to how Equity Buckets work. This would make it easier to analyze which hands are generating EV through value, protection, bluffs, or fold equity. I believe this would be extremely valuable, not just for me but for many other users.
Thanks!
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Hi Scylla,I wanted to thank you for the Equity Buckets feature—it has been incredibly useful in developing heuristics and structuring game plans. I was wondering if you would consider adding a similar feature for EV Buckets in GTO+?The idea is to categorize hands based on their expected value in a given situation, similar to how Equity Buckets work. This would make it easier to
We have considered EV buckets, but for the moment, we have decided to exclude them.
The issue with EV buckets is that they are significantly less stable than equity buckets.
When any changes are made to the decision and the solver is run again, the EVs for the hands in the locked decision tend to shift substantially.
As a result, high EV hands can become low EV hands, and vice versa.
This effect is much less pronounced when working with equity-based edits.
Scylla,
How do we use Edit Tree weights in Database mode and is there an easy way to reorder flops in database?
Scy!
Its possible to add right click and hold to this filters?
Scylla,How do we use Edit Tree weights in Database mode and is there an easy way to reorder flops in database?
To edit the weights, click on the "Weights" icon and adjust the desired weight.
For example, there are typically 24 ways to draw 732 rainbow.
If you set the weight to 1.5, the number of permutations will be increased to 36.
To reorder the flops in the database, click the small triangle in the upper left.
