Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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A war crimes complaint against 10 Britons who served with the Israeli military in Gaza is to be submitted to the Met police by one of the UK’s leading human rights lawyers.
Michael Mansfield KC is one of a group of lawyers who will on Monday hand in a 240-page dossier to Scotland Yard’s war crimes unit alleging targeted killing of civilians and aid workers, including by sniper fire, and indiscriminate attacks on civilian areas, including hospitals.
The report, which has been prepared by a team of UK lawyers and researchers in The Hague, also accuses suspects of coordinated attacks on protected sites including historic monuments and religious sites, and forced transfer and displacement of civilians.
Hamas doesnt do that bc they know that Israel targets paramedics and aid workers more than anyone else.
regardless, yes unequivocally any means necessary is morally justified to fight against these monsters.
According to Hamas, they do
https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world...
In the recording, a Gaza citizen and a Hamas terrorist are heard discussing traveling in ambulances throughout the city.
“Should I send an ambulance?” the citizen asks in the video.
“No man, I have ambulances,” the Hamas terrorist replies. “I can go with whatever ambulance I want.”
Brother, there is an ambulance that if I tell him to come to you, he will take you and bring you to the entrance of your house,” the citizen replies.
Phone convo here
Now, that said- in this specific instance, the fact that the paramedics and their vehicle were buried after the fact, combined with the footage of the ambulance's emergency lights on and paramedics in high visibility gear being clearly visible, despite IDF claims to the contrary, (which they've now admitted is untrue) very strongly implies a war crime. The IDF soldiers involved in this should be investigated and brought to trial.
Hello fellow terrorist. Should we do the terrorist things? Yes of course! We must do terrorists things because we are terrorists and love being terrorists. I hope nobody is listening to our terrorist plans!
Now, that said- in this specific instance, the fact that the paramedics and their vehicle were buried after the fact, combined with the footage of the ambulance's emergency lights on and paramedics in high visibility gear being clearly visible, despite IDF claims to the contrary, (which they've now admitted is untrue) very strongly implies a war crime. The IDF soldiers involve
There would also be an issue as to what kind of higher-command orders and RoE the soldiers were acting on.
There would also be an issue as to what kind of higher-command orders and RoE the soldiers were acting on.
Yeah no, I'm pretty sure the RoE doesn't include doing warcrimes and covering them up.
Hello fellow terrorist. Should we do the terrorist things? Yes of course! We must do terrorists things because we are terrorists and love being terrorists. I hope nobody is listening to our terrorist plans!
Jooish I mean Israeli deception huh? It's all "hasbara" innit? This is why you're considered a bad faith poster. You simply deny and dismiss as lies anything that's not in line with your worldview. I'm pro Israel. I have no problem at all acknowledging that something seriously dodgy appears to have occurred here and strongly implies a war crime. I have no problem with the IDF members going to trial, in the event of such things happening.
Yet you? You just handwave away anything that goes against your ideology, and checks is indeed correct- if a case of Hamas dressing up as paramedics and using ambulances came to light with incontrovertible proof, you'd justify it as an acceptable form of resistance against the Zionazi colonisers blah blah.
And this is why it's very difficult to take you seriously.
There would also be an issue as to what kind of higher-command orders and RoE the soldiers were acting on.
From the available info, I'm not sure if RoE would cut it, considering the footage and the inconsistency in the IDF accounts, and if higher command were allowing such things, then they should face justice, just as Lynndie England's superiors should have.
Jooish I mean Israeli deception huh? It's all "hasbara" innit? This is why you're considered a bad faith poster. You simply deny and dismiss as lies anything that's not in line with your worldview. I'm pro Israel. I have no problem at all acknowledging that something seriously dodgy appears to have occurred here and strongly implies a war crime. I have no problem with the IDF m
yes ofc I deny everything coming from the Israeli Army and government. they have lied about so many things its unreal.
and they already did the fake phone call thing after they bombed Ah Ahli hospital in Oct of 23.
So is the recording faked? How so specifically? Are they Israelis pretending to be Hamas members? Proof??
And this is why none of us take YOU seriously. You and the rest of the apologists routinely conflate anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel with antisemitism. I would think the existence of, like, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Jewish anti-Zionists might give you pause, but nah, I guess they're all antisemites too, ok, great, good talk.
So is the recording faked? How so specifically? Are they Israelis pretending to be Hamas members? Proof??
I just assume they are lying after the endless list of lies already. but maybe this time, on this one thing, they are telling the truth! (they arent lol)
This is a giant tangent that doesn't really address my point at all; that Victor's concept of "humanity" is very flawed and self serving to his ideology. Regardless, with global supply chains being the way they are; except for maybe China there is literally no nation or armed group that could wage a war without constant resupply from foreign powers. Including the US and Russi
The point is that Israel is under far more pressure to act humanely than Alexander and Genghis, and they would be smart to do so, because without US support, it's over in less than a generation.
Also, you're wrong about Russia regarding a situation like this. Right now they require support to fight a massive trench war against a NATO-backed adversary that has continuous resupply, but they could easily deal with their Gaza equivalent, Chechnya, without any external support.
Israel is ideologically unable to "act humanely." the entire Zionist project is premised on mass murder and torture.
Now, that said- in this specific instance, the fact that the paramedics and their vehicle were buried after the fact, combined with the footage of the ambulance's emergency lights on and paramedics in high visibility gear being clearly visible, despite IDF claims to the contrary, (which they've now admitted is untrue) very strongly implies a war crime. The IDF soldiers involv
As I mentioned a couple days ago the term "burying" is doing a lot of work here. The IDF say they collected and threw a net over the bodies and bulldozed the vehicles (which I guess is policy when clearing the road in a hurry?) and then told the UN to come collect everything. Which by all accounts is what happened which no one is disputing. And the entire "burying war crimes" evidence is bad faith by the Western media.
Also, the clip that the media keeps showing is a carefully curated 45 second clip of a much longer video. It was 4 in the morning and the convoy was several vehicles and not every vehicle had lights on, and the soldiers were operating based on reconnaissance information from a drone unit, so it isn't obvious what the soldiers were told or saw before they started attacking.
LIke I said before, I suspect the IDF unit and the Red Crescent are both lying about how things went down, and the Red Crescent was definitely transporting Hamas members. And I doubt anything that went down would merit a trial, although some discipline would probably be warranted.
I also think the Western media is being tremendously bad faith and purposefully misrepresenting what happened, to push their own agenda.
The point is that Israel is under far more pressure to act humanely than Alexander and Genghis, and they would be smart to do so, because without US support, it's over in less than a generation. Also, you're wrong about Russia regarding a situation like this. Right now they require support to fight a massive trench war against a NATO-backed adversary that has continuous resuppl
I was not arguing Israel is not under pressure to act humanely. It obviously is. I was challenging Victor's premise Israel is some uniquely inhumane, evil entity in the history of humanity; which is completely absurd.
Also, I don't know exactly what "it is over in less than a generation" is supposed to mean; but I am guessing your prediction wouldn't be particularly correct, whatever it is.
a mistake. just a little oopsie. like, oh darn I messed up beheaded thousands of babies. oops.
Numerous IDF soldiers testify to killing civilians.
antisemitism is just out of control
^^^ I like how the deeper into the article you get, the further from the headline, the more the reporter shows the accusations to be empty.
Oh word?
I'll put your Freudian slip aside and ask a simple question, "which side has killed more children since Oct 6th, 2023?" (moving the date back one to make it clear I'm including 10/7 itself)
(I also wonder if you'll get weird with the grammar and pretend you were using "beheaded" as an adjective; technically that may be acceptable, but come on now)
haha I came here to share this too. The hell is wrong with these people.
