Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Muslms are brown people ergo automatically victims
no, we are talking about Palestinians (who are not all Muslim btw) and primarily those in Gaza. they are victims bc they have been caged and murdered for decades. normal people have issue with this, but Supremacists like yourself are perfectly fine with it so long as its Jews and Whites doing the murdering.
who need white saviours like you to guide them and speak up for them.
I havent seen Jal offer much advice to the Palestinians on how to conduct their resistance. I do see people like Dun and yourself who routinely say they should surrender and let themselves get slaughtered even faster.
FWIW Israel stated he was a member of Hamas and directly participated in 10/7. And it was a targeted strike that killed 2 people who were the targets. And no one seems to be disputing this (the targeted strike part)
Israel lies. they lie about everything. he obv wasnt a fighter in Hamas.
There is such thing as a far left liberal, I'm retorting to one right now and again you have that patented racist presumption. Muslms are brown people ergo automatically victims who need white saviours like you to guide them and speak up for them. You really are a condescending patronising racist anti Semitic little bollix aren't you?
Condescension is an easy trap to fall into with Islamophobic bigots like you around, projecting your racial hatred onto people thousands of miles away who you know very little about.
Just hope you don’t have any Muslim neighbours. Or Indians. Or black people.
Everyone knows Israelis are descended from Europeans and Americans mainly, which is why the likes of Euro racists like corpus identify strongly with them and turn a blind eye to decades of shelling and killing of Palestinians and conveniently choose to start the war clock in October 2023.
Actually only half are
so what? would it be ok to kill all of the Biden and Trump and Bibi sycophant journalists? better yet, should we bomb them in hospitals killing other patients and staff?
So everyone who is or was that friendly with hamas (or any other terrorist organizaton) at any point of his life is a fair target for assassination.
Material support of terrorism deserves death.
I know your position Luci. I just want the other liberals to show they will always side with fascist mass murder when given the option. they think they are different than you in ideology but they are only different in honesty.
I know your position Luci. I just want the other liberals to show they will always side with fascist mass murder when given the option. they think they are different than you in ideology but they are only different in honesty.
Question why do all these protesters find the need to hide their face?
I know your position Luci. I just want the other liberals to show they will always side with fascist mass murder when given the option. they think they are different than you in ideology but they are only different in honesty.
Their order of preference is different:
Luciom
1 fascism
Liberals
1 liberal capitalism
2 fascism
3 literally anything else that isn’t socialism
4 socialism
Condescension is an easy trap to fall into with Islamophobic bigots like you around, projecting your racial hatred onto people thousands of miles away who you know very little about.
Just hope you don’t have any Muslim neighbours. Or Indians. Or black people.
I've no problem with Muslims and believe in religious freedom so you must be mistaking me for someone else. Also neither Muslims nor Palestinians are a race. Again with the far left classical racist presumption from you.
Can you cite where Palestinians or Muslims are "brown people "?
are you daft? bc they are being disappeared into dungeons by Federal thugs supported by Trump and the Dems alike. they are getting expelled, losing jobs, getting deported, getting harassed.
its only a matter of time until Jewish Israeli Extremists start assassinating people on American soil for having the audacity to oppose burning children alive.
assassinating a child bc they witnessed a war crime and provided testimony to the Western press.
Horrifyingly predictable as this government and army stoop lower and lower in their quest to reenact the Nabka.
So everyone who is or was that friendly with hamas (or any other terrorist organizaton) at any point of his life is a fair target for assassination.
Material support of terrorism deserves death.
Israel was founded using terrorist tactics. The guy that ran the King David hotel bombing operation was eventually a prime minister of the country. Does that fall into the all allies of terrorists must die bucket?
There is such thing as a far left liberal, I'm retorting to one right now and again you have that patented racist presumption. Muslms are brown people ergo automatically victims who need white saviours like you to guide them and speak up for them. You really are a condescending patronising racist anti Semitic little bollix aren't you?
So if you're white you can't advocate for any group being targeted with racial oppression and violence? I think you are thinking of it wrongly. Such a white person isn't so much picking up a weapon and showing the brown people how to use it. He is trying to reform YOU and you're kind of white people who are, to his thinking, transgressing. So it's one part of the white group telling another part to stop being evil. I don't think that is paternalistic to the brown people. He isn't telling the brown people what to do. He's telling you what not to do. The problem is with you. You need correction. The only "problem" with the brown people is they aren't so obsessed with weapons and war. But nobody from the Euro side is telling them to tool up and kill you. You're the one that needs to be told what to do because you're blood thirsty and psychotic and making any framework of laws impossible to maintain, making us all like animals.
So if you're white you can't advocate for any group being targeted with racial oppression and violence?
Eh?
I think you are thinking of it wrongly.
Funny I was thinking the same about you.
Such a white person isn't so much picking up a weapon and showing the brown people how to use it. He is trying to reform YOU and you're kind of white people who are, to his thinking, transgressing. So it's one part of the white group telling another part to stop being evil. I don't think that is paternalistic to the brown people. He isn't telling the brown people what to do. He's telling you what not to do. The problem is with you. You need correction. The only "problem" with the brown people is they aren't so obsessed with weapons and war. But nobody from the Euro side is telling them to tool up and kill you. You're the one that needs to be told what to do because you're blood thirsty and psychotic and making any framework of laws impossible to maintain, making us all like animals.
...I'm just bemused at why far leftists insist on calling Muslims and Palestinians "brown people". As well as some Americans viewing the world through the prism of their own society and therefore see people from many different countries with different identities and cultures as "white people". Palestinians are Arabs and Arabs are classified as "white people". Unless you're a far leftist apparently as that just doesn't fit the narrative.
For the love of god, can we stop calling them "brown people" and maybe call them Palestinians or Arabs or something? You people sound like toddlers.
Israel was founded using terrorist tactics. The guy that ran the King David hotel bombing operation was eventually a prime minister of the country. Does that fall into the all allies of terrorists must die bucket?
no because it is not a terrorist entity for our countries.
I do realize others can consider them terrorists which is what they do and treat them accordingly.
which is why we have, you know, enemies, they think something we think the opposite, and we kill each others.
I am not a Kantian. I don't expect nor consider it reasonable to expect others will agree with my morals.
I don't care if others disagree , I live or die by my moral preference and I want my country to do the same.
and for now both Italy and the USA consider Hamas (and allies) terrorists, and Israel not a terrorist entity, and that is it.
under that framing we can and should kill everyone connected to Hamas and it is moral to do so
If [they] come and surround your village and start burning it, what are you supposed to do? Are you supposed to go on hunger strike? Can the hungry go on a hunger strike? Non-violence is a piece of theatre. You need an audience. What can you do when you have no audience? People have the right to resist annihilation.
Arundhati Roy
no because it is not a terrorist entity for our countries.I do realize others can consider them terrorists which is what they do and treat them accordingly.which is why we have, you know, enemies, they think something we think the opposite, and we kill each others.I am not a Kantian. I don't expect nor consider it reasonable to expect others will agree with my morals.I don't ca
I assume he was referring to the early 20th century when Zionists were terrorists by any reasonable definition of the word, mostly against the British authorities.
Everyone knows Israelis are descended from Europeans and Americans mainly, which is why the likes of Euro racists like corpus identify strongly with them and turn a blind eye to decades of shelling and killing of Palestinians and conveniently choose to start the war clock in October 2023.
Gaza was a beautiful place until Oct 7th. Oct 7th is when this war started.
So Israeli media announced 10+ hours ago that Israel had struck a meeting of Hamas commanders, including their leader in Gaza (Sinwar's brother). And western media also eventually picked up the story. But what is most interesting, is that Arab media, including Al Jazeera, is completely quiet on this strike. Which is probably why Victor has posted several times since it was reported and has said nothing about it, probably because he doesn't even know. I have no information one way or another how successful the strike was, but all else being equal, Arab media quiet over the incident strongly indicates it was successful.
It's hard to believe this but apparently the IDF chief-of-staff is refusing to carry out Netanyahu's ethnic cleansing plan, saying not providing food to the civilian population even if they remain in Northern Gaza violates international law.
So Israeli media announced 10+ hours ago that Israel had struck a meeting of Hamas commanders, including their leader in Gaza (Sinwar's brother). And western media also eventually picked up the story. But what is most interesting, is that Arab media, including Al Jazeera, is completely quiet on this strike. Which is probably why Victor has posted several times since it was r
no I saw it. they carpet bombed around a hospital and claimed they killed him. it was intermixed with all the dead babies in my feed. I dont ever trust anything Israel says so there is no point mentioning it.
