Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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So everyone who is or was that friendly with hamas (or any other terrorist organizaton) at any point of his life is a fair target for assassination.
Material support of terrorism deserves death.
Clintons Blair Bush to the front of the line
Wish I could say it’s sad that Albright & Holbrooke are dead already
Also Israel does a genocide and now everyone hates them. Israelis will continue to be pariahs throughout the world. They think if they bomb enough children that people will like them and accept them as superiors. In fact, in terms of global public perspective, they have replaced the Nazis as evil incarnate and the most reviled people on the planet.Maybe that was Sinwars plan. b
This could be wrong, but I think Netanyahu will be set up as the fall guy, he will be (unfairly) regarded as the Hitler of our time, and everyone will move on.
And in a couple hundred years some "based" historians will look back and belatedly give him his flowers for his contributions in transforming the Middle East from a backwards, intolerant, theocratic hellhole into a functional part of the modern world.
The wild card that I dont know if it will happen is Palestinian society de-radicalizing, either where they are or as a diaspora somewhere else. But if this happens, I think everything quickly falls into place and some sort of workable resolution happens, and the entire Middle East, minus some radicalized theocratic holdouts such as Houthi held Yemen and Taliban held Afghanistan, comes along.
yes the liberals are trying to blame Bibi. the fact is that the entire society is rotten to the core and full of more genocidal ambitions from top to bottom than any group that I have ever heard of.
it is funny that you think that Palestinians and Houthis are somehow radical Muslims when its the Saudis who support the Wahhabi/Salafi death squads and ideology. and ofc the US supports them even more. the guys who brought done the towers and did the France concert attack and many more attacks on Western soil are now your allies against the indigenous Palestinians.
Wait and see what exactly? That the Palestinians killed will be brought back to life or that it didn't happen?
There was unprecedented Palestinian suffering, the Gaza strip decimated, and the people they claim to represent are facing famine, displacement, and long term trauma. Mission accomplished to someone like Sinwar. I sure as hell wouldn't want him as my leader for protecting my family. **** him.
He's failed his strategic objectives, the swap was minimual, Hez didn't front the north like they idiotically thought, Iran unsurprisingly hid away after being confronted, Gaza's infrastructure and Hamas's own has been heavily dismantled.
Saying “Iran are cowards” isn’t really productive. The IRGC has major economic and social domestic issues and are beholden in part to china and Russia, neither of whom want them to go to war. On top of this, In truth The Revolution has run out of steam in Iran and the Iranian people aren’t interested at all. What Sinwar understood about the domestic situation in Iran
Sure, Iran has economic issues, but they send others to die for a cause that they aren't willing to bleed themselves. That's cowardly. They convinced Hamas to light the match believing that Iran and Hez would back them up. That wasn't feasible, militarily on paper, and iran was in the best postion to understand that. That''s stupidity. The ultimate mix.
You don't get to call yourself the poster child of the resistance while watching from the sidelines while Gasa is reduced to rubble. Iran is worse than Hamas. By a mile.
Wait and see what exactly? That the Palestinians killed will be brought back to life or that it didn't happen?There was unprecedented Palestinian suffering, the Gaza strip decimated, and the people they claim to represent are facing famine, displacement, and long term trauma. Mission accomplished to someone like Sinwar. I sure as hell wouldn't want him as my leader for prote
Is this going to break the Palestinians or harden their resolve for generations to come?
Seems pretty clearly to be both?
The younger gen are certainly going to internalize a deep sense of injustice. And I wouldn't blame them. But Hamas was already about as hardened as you could get. So the hate builds but the means to fight lessons, who knows where it leads. The only thing we know is this war isn't ending anytime soon and a lot of innocent people died in a short amount of time.
But I'd imagine that things go a lot further than that from here on out from a military standpoint. The amount of satellite and drone reconnaissance that monitoring th IRGC likely won't be the same. Who knows about the financial tracking and sanctions, and who can pretend to have an idea about the level of cyber surveillance put forth.
And I would agree with Dun that Iran is probably less interested in directly fighting Israel then they were 20 eyars ago. Where is the new threat going to come from?
The new threat is a combination of the Palestinians and some key leaders in the West weakening their support for Israel. This isn't happening tomorrow, talking decades at least probably. Sinwar basically forcing Israel's hand with Oct 7th is a big turd in the punch bowl for long term peace in the region. Sure, no one jumped in to help them in any meaningful way but regional leaders need to "keep it real" and halt normalizing relations with Israel while Gaza is being decimated and broadcast to their citizens on Al jazeera. It's sick but the more gazans that die, the further Israel gets from long term security. At some point there will be the wrong combination of leaders and some economic issues with their donors and Israel could end up in a bit of a pickle. You've got portions of the Republican party stanning for Russia at the moment which would have been unthinkable 15 years ago. If Dun is right that countries like qatar are dumping billions into the West to change the narrative it's not far fetched public opinion can change. Just look at these donkeys running the US at the moment.
But a lot of this hinges on the Palestinians not submitting. That's my opinion at least to Sinwar's larger vision than just doing a hostage swap.
AlsoJEWS does a genocide and now everyone hates them. JEWS will continue to be pariahs throughout the world. They think if they bomb enough children that people will like them and accept them as superiors. In fact, in terms of global public perspective, they have replaced the Nazis as evil incarnate and the most reviled people on the planet.Maybe that was Sinwars plan. but real
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Mark Levin's pissed that Trump mentioned people starving in Gaza. What is it with these creeps like Levin? He's another one of these ghouls who goes on about anti-semitism whenever anyone comments on the humanitarian crisis taking place before our very eyes.
you guys keep saying stuff like this. people might start believing you. but maybe that is what you want.
everyone who conflates Jews with Israel and uses it to support the mass burning of children. so you, your mass murdering army buddies, Bibi, Bibi's opposition, Western media, Israeli media, most Western politicians. dont forget Genocide Joe Biden and Butcher Blinken. lots of people.
Well we'll never know, considering he's wormfood so can't clarify. And good riddance too.
He's actually not wormfood.
So what would the proper terminology be?
Not all Jews support Israel, so how do we describe supporters of the genocide if "Israeli" is verboten?
If Dun is right that countries like qatar are dumping billions into the West to change the narrative it's not far fetched public opinion can change. Just look at these donkeys running the US at the moment.
But a lot of this hinges on the Palestinians not submitting. That's my opinion at least to Sinwar's larger vision than just doing a hostage swap.
If I am right? You are on the fence on this?
Qatar is the biggest foreign funder of US universities. Why is that do you think? Do you think they have an interest in liberal education and the support of truth and knowledge? It is all to manipulate American policy and public opinion moving forward. And the fact you cant get anyone to even bring this up is pretty proof positive just how captured our elites are. You cant even get the AOCs and Joe Rogans (supposed outsiders bringing truth to power) of the world to bring it up.
In a vacuum if I told you one of the main exporters of religious fundamentalism and terror in the world was also the biggest foreign donor to US universities, you would think someone would notice and say something. But that is exactly what is going on, and no one is noticing anything. Instead our President is openly going on a tour of the Middle East, being openly bribed right and left, and the response is extremely muted. Because everyone is in on it, just not as open and brazenly.
But a lot of this hinges on the Palestinians not submitting. That's my opinion at least to Sinwar's larger vision than just doing a hostage swap.
I think this is correct. The next few years will be interesting.
People like to pretend The Resistance is this organic phenomenon, and the Palestinian people have some unique genetic predisposition to fight eternally for a bunch of mostly inhospitable desert with no water. When they are people like everyone else, and will move on like everyone else if the world lets them, just as uncounted billions of humans have done before.
The Resistance itself require a tremendous amount of ideological indoctrination, outside manipulation and military aid to keep it going. And most importantly, the international community needs to keep the Palestinians penned in Gaza and the West Bank, so they dont just leave and move on with their lives. Which is exactly the point of UNRWA.
With much of the Arab world integrating into the world economy and transitioning from young to middle aged demographically, it will be interesting in the coming decades to see if there will be as much interest in keeping The Resistance propped up. The older and more integrated they become with the developed world, the last thing Qataris and Saudis will want is a real revolution sweeping the Arabian peninsula.
That being said, places like Yemen, Egypt and Iraq are still very young, with poor economic prospects for all their young men. So there will still be utility in elites of these societies keeping the populace indoctrinated on the "Great Satan" of Israel instead of focusing on domestic problems which could lead to revolutions at home. Will be interesting times moving forward to say the least.
Project Esther is the Heritage foundation, Trump, and Israels' scheme to brand opposition to genocide as "material support for terrorism." It is comprehensive and visible.
Jewish Voice for Peace is one group they deem part of Hamas' support network.
Christian end-times fanatics are prominent in this suppressive movement.
This is an important New York Times expose. The deportations and pressure on universities mirror Project Esther's prescriptions.
Other initiatives included plans to enlist support from state and local law enforcement and to “generate uncomfortable conditions” so that groups could not conduct protests.
no. it is Israeli policy to steal the bodies of the people they murder and keep them forever.
