Seattle

crikey I went into that place like one time, it was cavernous and dark, IIRC. 2nd most depressing room in the state (1st is aces silverdale).

has no idea how that place stayed in business past the 'demic.

oh another thing that i hate about fortune

betting line is firm - meaning if you go to cut chips from a stack for a call or raise and don't verbally declare the amount then what you cut doesn't matter, the entire stack is in play, leaving a huge opportunity for anglers to pretend like they didn't mean to put out so much

dealers are instructed to not enforce any rules that are actively being broken unless another player at the table requests they intervene - wildest policy i've ever seen

I wasted so many hours at fortune, the betting line was never an issue, not once. Do you have long arms or something RR?

as far as 'dealers are instructed to not enforce any rules that are actively being broken unless another player at the table requests they intervene' wouldn't this also apply to F-bombs?

Or is that the exception that proves the rule? Again, not something that I ever ran into.

The only rule I've ever heard of being dependent on players calling it out is the rule against string bets. While I understand the reason for that policy, I don't like it. I've played a good amount at Fortune and never noticed that any other rules were dependent on the complaints of other players. Hard to imagine the dealer not saying anything if a player was, for instance, actively looking at another player's cards while both were involved in the hand.

I don’t recall the circumstances but a handful of times the dealer only acted once a player narc’d and the dealer even said “I’m not allowed to say anything unless a player complains”

It’s definitely happened with string bets, unsure about other stuff

Betting line has come up a few times, each time I’m sure the person who “forgot” the rule was angling

It happened to me once too, I usually don’t cut chips but once I tried to open to by reaching forward with my shuffling stack and dropping 3 chips and dealer insisted entire stack was in play - felt terrible because I had aces and was very glad nobody called so I wouldn’t get accused of funny stuff

As already stated, not uncommon that player must call string bet. Even that isn’t universal as many rooms now have dealer call that. Another one is SOSA. While dealers can and should enforce this wo prompting many don’t. Those are the only such rules I recall but will say I have never been to Seattle much less played at Fortune.

sosa?

Show one, show all.

The theme of one of my favorite poker jokes (you can skip most of the setup and just read the last 4 paragraphs if inclined https://www.tommyangelo.com/show-one-sho...

oh yeah not once seen sosa enforced anywhere in seattle and it's one of those things where i'm constantly wondering if i should "be that guy" and try to get enforcement or instead maintain an image as a chill degen

You're right that Show One Show All is only enforced at most places if someone asks, but it's not actually a rule violation.

nothing at muckleshoot

Here are the ones I played in two weeks ago -

FORTUNE RENTON 3650 E VALLEY RD RENTON WA
ACES POKER - LAKEWOOD 10117 S TACOMA WAY LAKEWOOD WA
FORTUNE LACEY 8318 QUINNULTO LACEY WA
CASINO CARIBBEAN KIRKLAND 12526 NE 144TH KIRKLAND WA
ACES POKER - MT LAKE TERRACE 7004 220TH ST MOUNTLAKE TERRACE WA
7 CEDARS CARD ROOM 270756 HWY 101 SEQUIM WA
SLO PITCH SPORTS 3720 MERIDIAN BELLINGHAM WA
PARQ VANCOUVER 39 SMITHE ST VANCOUVER BC
GRAND VILLA 4331 DOMINION ST BURNABY BC
GREAT CANADIAN VANCOUVER 2080 UNITED BLVD COQUITLAM BC
STARLIGHT 350 GIFFORD ST NEW WESTMINSTER BC
RIVER ROCK 8811 RIVER RD RICHMOND BC
CASCADES 20393 FRASER LANGLEY BC
JAMESTOWN SALOON 19711 SMOKEY POINT BLVD ARLINGTON WA
CLUB 48 430 S 48TH AVE YAKIMA WA
ACES POKER - YAKIMA 1901 BOGGOSS LANE YAKIMA WA
WILD GOOSE 1600 CURRIER ST ELLENSBURG WA

The ask h poker link two posts above is a superb summary of the immediate Seattle poker scene. Highly recommended to click on the link to give a true lowdown on the major rooms a short distance from Seattle. Nice work, sir!

The post does not cover 30+ miles from Seattle, where Aces Lakewood to the south and Jamestown Saloon to the north are decent alternatives. Jamestown is small, but a room worth checking out in the Marysville area. No more then three tables, though, from what I have seen.

I cannot speak to the volume at Aces Lakewood. Does it have similar volume to The Palace?

The Olympia area has Fortune Lacey, run by the same company as Fortune, and, thus, is well run. Smaller population base, though.

The peninsula/west side of Puget sound has Little Creek in Shelton and all star lanes Silverdale. Bellingham has the Slo Pitch. Not sure if they are beyond 4-8 Omaha though.

Wow that askh post was epic, wish the author knew about paragraphs.

Fortune Lacey is a thing?

Fortune Renton is indeed the best 24hr food in the state, never thought of it purely that way

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Fortune Lacey used to be Hawk's Prairie. A small 1, 2, or three table room. They had good food before Fortune came along. Only played under new ownership once. But I trust Fortune management.

played at carribean yesterday

in a hand and villain to my right mumbles a number which sounds like 200 and pushes forward about 200 worth of chips

i ask him to repeat himself because i didn't hear what he said - he refuses to say anything and just points to the chips\

i repeat that he made a verbal declaration so the chips don't matter and asked for clarification as to what he said

dealer is silent and just observing

the guy continues to say nothing and i continue to ask what he said, the dealer herself finally says that she didn't hear him say anything and some players chime in saying they think he said 200 but are not sure

he then gets very upset and finally says "just look at the chips"

i explain that "the chips are meaningless once you make a verbal declaration, if you say $50 but put out $300 it's still a $50 bet, if you say all in but put out $5 it's still all in"

he says that's wrong, i call him an idiot

he calls the floor and acts like the victim, tries to get me kicked out, floor obviously saw it for what it was and was annoyed they were called over and didn't even issue a warning etc

this is what i hate the most about the west coast, this happens a lot here where someone is being a clear ******* and then when called out plays the victim - i think it's because the non-confrontation passivity of the west coast makes it so most *******s don't even realize they are being *******s because they are rarely called out and thus get so indignant on the rare occasions that it happens

back during fortune's huge 24/7 promo and wait lists were like 50+ deep a guy busted out on a cooler flopped set on KK all in and villain with AA rivers the ace for set over set - he just sits there steaming at the table, after an orbit i ask him if he's going to buy back in or not and when he says no, i ask him to please get up because there's a lot of people waiting for a seat and he gets really upset with me and of course most of the table then calls me the ahole for asking him to clear a spot

3x i've now seen the dealer award a player a pot that should have been chopped

3x the dealer and player who received the monies insisted they were right and only by having players call the floor and review the footage did they get the pot chopped

really basic stuff like a AK55x board and it's A3 v AT at showdown

this stuff is incredibly rare in my experience but seemingly quite common out here - also get the feeling a lot of the dealers are pretty inexperienced, especially if playing at a random place that only has 1-3 tables

Sounds shtty, I'm assuming this didn't happen at fortune?

Unfortunately I don't think dealers pay have caught up with the rake, especially post pandemic. Still minimum wage plus tips.

Pre pandemic dealing round here was a path to home ownership. That'd be impossible now in the Puget sound area. I'm kind of annoyed that I know many dealers with homes, they should keep that shiz to themselves

(I own zero real estate)

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2x were at fortune but that's also where i play most of the time

last time at fortune it folds around to me in the sb and i ask the bb, a white guy in his 50s if he wants to chop or play

he says let's play, so i say ok and complete and then he raises me

i say to him "wtf" i just completed to check it down because you wanted to chase a high hand and he said he didn't say any such thing and that he just wanted to play

it ended up changing it a bunch, i had A2s and would have raised, he would have called, and then i would have cbet the KQx flop whereas he just raised and then checked down in position with showdown value

i said it was an angle, because everyone in that situation says "i don't chop" instead of "let's play" which is obvious code for "I want to check it down and chase a high hand"

guy got really pissy, threatened to call the floor - dealer agrees with me but rest of table is silent

guy gets up and leaves after about 30 min and only then does the rest of the table speak up and say they agreed with me - i ffing hate this west coast passivity - it just gives a-holes room to breathe they shouldn't ever be granted

I am completely on his side. He never said he wanted to check it down. He said he wanted to play. Just because that is "obvious code" to you doesn't prove it means the same thing to him. You can feel however you like, but he did nothing wrong. He probably got pissy because you accused him of something of which he was innocent. If he was in the wrong here, then you did not do a good job of explaining how this all went down.

greg, are you unfamiliar with how the old chop or farm high hands discussion goes?

you can't openly collude

in some places like colorado people say "chop or cheeseburger"

in seattle they say "chop or play"

this guy is a reg, he knows exactly how that is done

so saying "let's play" doesn't indicate whatsoever that he never chops, it indicates "i have a hand that could crack the current high hand and want to see if it runs out" and every single time this happens the sb completes and they check it down - it's not uncommon for the "let's play" person to refund the other player under the table afterwards if they also won the hand

so you absolutely need to say "i never chop" or "I don't chop"

i don't think you could possibly have the perspective you have if you actually played in these low stakes promo hunting environments where half the pool is there specifically trying to farm high hands

I'm not a reg anywhere. So I don't know what you and the regs there consider standard. But I do assume people mean exactly what they say, and try to never interpret what they say. I have had people say they want to call and run it out. And every time I tell them no. We either always chop, or we always play it out normal. If they don't like that, it is their problem. But I still think you were wrong to assume he knew what was implied, to you, by what he said. It just comes across as being mad that you lost the hand. I doubt you would have made your post if you had won that pot instead.