President Elon Musk

President Elon Musk

He probably deserves his own thread at this point, discuss accordingly

21 December 2024 at 02:21 PM
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by TrumpsCuteButt

5*, would read again


by Ambush

Interesting position once again

in fact it all happened after I wrote that


The most interesting takeaway in all of this is the evidence of corruption.

By threatening to take away Musk's contract there is an implicit admission of corrupt practice. As a minimum it admits fthat or this administration, keeping large federal contracts hinges on supporting Donald Trump politically. You'd also have to be a very naive to not see more than that between the lines.

Other than that, there is not all that much use to paying attention to what two two drug-addled serial liars with a history of volatile hot takes fling at each-other. They weren't trustworthy when they cooperated, they aren't trustworthy now and they won't be trustworthy in the future.


by tame_deuces

The most interesting takeaway in all of this is the evidence of corruption.By threatening to take away Musk's contract there is an implicit admission of corrupt practice. As a minimum it admits fthat or this administration, keeping large federal contracts hinges on supporting Donald Trump politically. You'd also have to be a very naive to not see more than that between the lin

There is the explicit clarification that Trump does see the government as a tool to punish his enemies and reward his friends.

Which is a breath of fresh air given everyone with political power always does that but at least Trump admits it.


by Luciom

There is the explicit clarification that Trump does see the government as a tool to punish his enemies and reward his friends.

Which is a breath of fresh air given everyone with political power always does that but at least Trump admits it.

Modern day "conservatives" offering lukewarm #bothsidesbad takes when Trump does something incompetent, shitty or corrupt has become so ritualistic at this point that they should consider burning some incense to go with it.


by tame_deuces

Modern day "conservatives" offering lukewarm #bothsidesbad takes when Trump does something incompetent, shitty or corrupt has become so ritualistic at this point that they should consider burning some incense to go with it.

here it is not even "both sides", it's just basic unmodifiable human nature. The core reason why i am a libertarian is acceptance of that. So given that, it's in everyone interest to keep the power of the state as small as possible, because you either always win elections (or always keep power, if outside a democracy), or it will , inevitably, be used against you.

That's a very basic truth of organized societies.

It's one thing to say trump does stuff others dont do (like shilling the memecoins for example), which is true, and another to claim that freaking government contracts aren't , especially in the USA, used by everyone always to reward friends and punish enemies. Jfc why do you think major business sectors donate hundreds of millions lol


by Luciom

here it is not even "both sides", it's just basic unmodifiable human nature. The core reason why i am a libertarian is acceptance of that. So given that, it's in everyone interest to keep the power of the state as small as possible, because you either always win elections (or always keep power, if outside a democracy), or it will , inevitably, be used against you. That's a very

Of course it was whataboutism, you are not fooling anybody. Trump is corrupt and incompetent, Elon Musk is corrupt and incompetent. Occasionally they do stuff where only the most die hard supporters can keep pretending nothing happens, and that's when you start to see #bothsidesbad start to crop up from those that at least like to pretend they can be serious.

As for this post, you are one of the strongest supporters of centralized state power on this forum. There are communists here, as in actual Marxist-revolution loving radicals, with far less love for executive overreach than you.


by Luciom

in fact it all happened after I wrote that

That's a pretty naive take.


by tame_deuces

Of course it was whataboutism, you are not fooling anybody. Trump is corrupt and incompetent, Elon Musk is corrupt and incompetent. Occasionally they do stuff where only the most die hard supporters can keep pretending nothing happens, and that's when you start to see #bothsidesbad start to crop up from those that at least like to pretend they can be serious.

I am not lol. Power these days (and perhaps since forever) requires money. I am one of the strongest supporters for the state to be small money-wise. As in "single digit % of gdp total state expenses all included" kind of small.

If i say it should be completly unconstitutional for the state to legislate (through fiscal benefits or otherwise) any difference among sectors and companies within those sectors without any possible exception, is that asking for "executive overreach"? i don't want the state to pick winners and losers, i actually don't want the state to have any power to determine the direction and composition of the economy or consumption in general.

It's you guys loving the idea of being allowed to use fiscal leverage to push for your preferences that allow all the shenanigans that inevitably come from that. If the state couldn't subsidize any sector the problem wouldn't exist.


by tame_deuces

Modern day "conservatives" offering lukewarm #bothsidesbad takes when Trump does something incompetent, shitty or corrupt has become so ritualistic at this point that they should consider burning some incense to go with it.

We've really reached the bottom when hyperpartisan folks rationalize great feats of scummery with, "All of them do it, but at least Trump does it out in the open and I prefer that, and so should you."


by Land O Lakes

We've really reached the bottom when hyperpartisan folks rationalize great feats of scummery with, "All of them do it, but at least Trump does it out in the open and I prefer that, and so should you."

Agreed. It's right up there with "I know Biden was a vegetable, but I heard something about Reagan having problems too near the end."


by campfirewest

Agreed. It's right up there with "I know Biden was a vegetable, but I heard something about Reagan having problems too near the end."

Sadly bluetards didn't realize Biden was a vegetable. They thought he was sharp as a tack and commanded the room, until they were told to believe otherwise.


by campfirewest

Agreed. It's right up there with "I know Biden was a vegetable, but I heard something about Reagan having problems too near the end."

I've never seen anyone say anything like that.


by Luciom

here it is not even "both sides", it's just basic unmodifiable human nature. The core reason why i am a libertarian is acceptance of that. So given that, it's in everyone interest to keep the power of the state as small as possible, because you either always win elections (or always keep power, if outside a democracy), or it will , inevitably, be used against you. That's a very

Not everyone believes humanity do not benefits in ethical value luciom.
You should try it sometimes ….
Some leaders even believed doing the right thing even at their own detriments just for the greater good is what real leaders are all about …

Crazy though I know .
Selfishness is a hard thing to get away from .

Fwiw , AI -> Libertarianism is often criticized as selfish, but this is a misunderstanding of its core principles. Libertarianism focuses on individual rights and limited government, not on prioritizing personal gain above all else. While libertarians emphasize individual autonomy and free markets, they also value cooperation and the rule of law, arguing that these are essential for a thriving society.

Something that u never really understood and makes u misrepresentation you as a libertarian .


Well , Elon twitter personal toy getting pretty expensive huh .

44 billions to buy it .
Lose 30 billions in 1 day fighting on it .
Made him believe his own hype and pushed him forward into politics where he burns 250 millions to elect trump.
Not mentioning his doge adventure that plunged the Tesla stock from about 30% since trump being elected ….

Go Twitter go !


by Montrealcorp

Well , Elon twitter personal toy getting pretty expensive huh .

44 billions to buy it .
Lose 30 billions in 1 day fighting on it .
Made him believe his own hype and pushed him forward into politics where he burns 250 millions to elect trump.
Not mentioning his doge adventure that plunged the Tesla stock from about 30% since trump being elected ….

Go Twitter go !

would f'n suck to go from $400 billion to $375 billion


by tame_deuces

Of course it was whataboutism, you are not fooling anybody. Trump is corrupt and incompetent, Elon Musk is corrupt and incompetent. Occasionally they do stuff where only the most die hard supporters can keep pretending nothing happens, and that's when you start to see #bothsidesbad start to crop up from those that at least like to pretend they can be serious.

Exactly .
Luciom can’t see the forest for the tree .


Twitter is maybe a money drain, but is his big asset if he continues an online pissing war with people, especially on Truth Social

Monthly Active Users: Approximately 611 million vs. Approximately 6.3 million


by housenuts

would f'n suck to go from $400 billion to $375 billion

Can u Imagine how rich Elon is ….
Go see at the U.S. budget and what 25 billions represent 😀

Yeah rich people and corporations need even more tax cuts !


by housenuts

would f'n suck to go from $400 billion to $375 billion

To a person like Elon, who is desperately trying to be the first trillionaire, yes, it does.


by housenuts

Sadly bluetards didn't realize Biden was a vegetable. They thought he was sharp as a tack and commanded the room, until they were told to believe otherwise.

And somehow half the people still think that Trump isn't an idiot and has coherent thoughts.


by housenuts

Sadly bluetards didn't realize Biden was a vegetable. They thought he was sharp as a tack and commanded the room, until they were told to believe otherwise.

But I thought Biden was a mastermind in pursing his political adversary and was part (maybe even be at the head of ) of the deep state controlling the DOJ ?


by Luciom

I am not lol. Power these days (and perhaps since forever) requires money. I am one of the strongest supporters for the state to be small money-wise. As in "single digit % of gdp total state expenses all included" kind of small.If i say it should be completly unconstitutional for the state to legislate (through fiscal benefits or otherwise) any difference among sectors and comp

When people criticize you for being an autocrat or an authoritarian, you typically respond with LOL and then some sort of explanation about how you are not a totalitarian. Those terms are not synonyms. You arguably are not a totalitarian. Great. Neither was Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Louis XIV, or Czar Nicholas.

But you most definitely are an autocrat and an authoritarian.


by Rococo

When people criticize you for being an autocrat or an authoritarian, you typically respond with LOL and then some sort of explanation about how you are not a totalitarian. Those terms are not synonyms. You arguably are not a totalitarian. Great. Neither was Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Louis XIV, or Czar Nicholas.

But you most definitely are an autocrat and an authoritarian.

I intend to use the state less than it is used today. Far far less. It's not only that i am not totalitarian, is that i want less state power used for less stuff, than the median person in this forum and in western society wants to.

If "being willing to use power to achieve your goals within the framework of a liberal constitution" is authoritarianism then ofc i am one. But i mean the death penalty isn't authoritarianism. Law enforcement having rules of engagement that allow for lethal force to be used profusely isn't either.

authoritarianism is the propensity to use power disregarding fundamental unalienable rights. And a reduction of freedom in general. I want the state to allow for *more* freedom.

Being against the existence of any legal ability of the state to tell you what you can produce sell and consume is definitionally anti-authoritarianism, while being willing to say any substance no matter why is illegal, is authoritarianism (again, definitionally).

You guys just have a fetish for "uhh ohhh, lethal force... that's an autocrat!", while you don't feel intimately violated by the existence of 55k pages of rules you have to follow in order to legally sell pizzas or tomatoes you grew.

Establishing a mandate to get a certificate to be legally allowed to be a barber is infinitely more authoritarian than being willing to always use lethal force and kill to shoot every participant in any riot in society.

Because rioting *is not allowed*, and once you choose rationally to break the law, *no response* is "too much authoritarian", whatever the democratic process decides is the right treatment, it morally is.

While being a barber, like every single other action without a direct violation of other people unalienable rights, is *inherently always allowed* and it's a violation of basic human rights to put ANY impediment into that action. Ie, it is authoritarian to even THINK you have a right to discuss who can be a barber, how a barber should behave in order to be allowed to cut hairs, and so on.

The word you are looking for is *DRACONIAN*. Yes i am *draconian*. But i want 1/100 of the laws/regulations that we have. A mich smaller number of laws/regulations, that are agreed upon by vast supermajorities, and incredibly high penalties if you break them, including being a fair target to be shot to kill if caught en flagrante.


by Luciom

I intend to use the state less than it is used today. Far far less. It's not only that i am not totalitarian, is that i want less state power used for less stuff, than the median person in this forum and in western society wants to.If "being willing to use power to achieve your goals within the framework of a liberal constitution" is authoritarianism then ofc i am one. But i me

I am looking for exactly the words I am using.

You continue to conflate authoritarianism with totalitarianism.

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