2025 WSOP!!
I know it’s early and normally I’m not excited about WSOP this soon after but dang it, I’m itching to go back already!
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Trying to figure out how much money I should take with me for cash games and general gambling, thinking about $6,500
Reckon I will have any issues at Border Control with that much? I know the max before you have to declare is $10,000 but i've heard stories lol
Your Colossus number is probably for the final flight that was yesterday. Here is the total price bill for this year
7.1 mill
The other big change this year with the Colossus is you could no longer fire unlimited bullets. It's just one re-entry per flight. You lost bullets from guys who might just come and fire six bullets on the last day, they could only fire two this year.
I was so wrong of my prediction for this year's attendance. I really thought last years attendance was gonna be matched. I believe these are the prize pools:
2024: $2, 834, 370
2025: $2, 613, 487
25% increase of the buy-in couldn't even bring the prize pool higher. I don't understand that. Maybe the fees
I think your overall prize pool numbers are way too low.
PokerNews shows the 2024 Colossus prize pool at $5, 940, 883. That doesn't look right either though, as the math for the number of entries and the amount going to the prize pool (structure sheet last year notes 17.5% of the $400 entry going to fees and dealers, so it should be $330 per entry going to the prize pool) should come to $6, 342, 536. This year with 17% of the $500 going to fees/dealers, it should be $6, 764, 915. So still a very slight increase in prize pool despite the smaller field size. They're making more in fees as they barely lowered the rake despite the increase in buy-in, but I doubt they're coming out ahead after factoring in the expense of the additional starting flight.
The other big change this year with the Colossus is you could no longer fire unlimited bullets. It's just one re-entry per flight.
That was the case last year as well. Gladiators allowed 2 re-entries per flight, but most other multi-flight events were limited to 1. I think the only unlimited re-entry event on the schedule was the Flip-and-Go.
PokerNews shows the 2024 Colossus prize pool at $5, 940, 883. That doesn't look right either though, as the math for the number of entries and the amount going to the prize pool (structure sheet last year notes 17.5% of the $400 entry going to fees and dealers, so it should be $330 per entry going to the prize pool) should come to $6, 342, 536. This year with 17% of the $500 go
My math is totally wrong, I was adding the dealer withholding to the fees, but the fees are inclusive of the portion that goes to pay staff. Total rake was actually 11.9% this year, yielding a prize pool of $7, 180, 591. Correcting that mistake would mean that last year's prize pool should have been $6, 787, 287, which is still quite a bit higher than what PokerNews reported, and still a very modest increase over last year despite the 25% higher buy-in and the additional starting flight.
I was so wrong of my prediction for this year's attendance. I really thought last years attendance was gonna be matched. I believe these are the prize pools:2024: $2, 834, 3702025: $2, 613, 48725% increase of the buy-in couldn't even bring the prize pool higher. I don't understand that. Maybe the fees
I think your overall prize pool numbers are way too low.
PokerNews shows th
Yeah… I definitely was looking at flight prize pools…. Not the overall.
As for the expenses, I saw so many dealers in Provence doing nothing for hours. I’m sure GH was disappointed with that.
Sorry to hear that. When people are betting twice as much it kind of forces you to play twice as tight. Anyway there are still more flights so good luck if you jump back in! After playing several events so far I've found that the luck of the table draw is huge. I've been on some very soft tables full of recreationals and others where most of the players are solid grinders. I wa
Unfortunately I only budgeted one day for Colossus.
I welcome these players. You want to play with GTO machines who are much harder to play against? Is this the new move up to where they respect your raises?
" Once they build up a huge stack or stacks it is pretty much over for everyone else." So then play this strategy yourself?
Simple solution, late reg when average stacks are shorter.
Then your 20-30 bb stack can only play one hand.
Curious about how the Landmark satellites are being run. Once a player hits the target they win a seat and their chips are removed. Suppose the target was 100,000 chips and they hit 118,000 when they went over. Does the extra 18,000 chips that have been removed cause the target to be reduced? For example suppose there were now 9 players left; would the target get reduced to 98
They pull ALL your chips off the table.
My math is totally wrong, I was adding the dealer withholding to the fees, but the fees are inclusive of the portion that goes to pay staff. Total rake was actually 11.9% this year, yielding a prize pool of $7, 180, 591. Correcting that mistake would mean that last year's prize pool should have been $6, 787, 287, which is still quite a bit higher than what PokerNews reported, a
The fees arent inclusive. The prizepool on the app are before the staff fees.
They take 17% for rake + staff fees
$415 x 16301 = $6,764,915 prize being given out in 2025
Last year's colossus was $6,331,384. ($328 x 19303).
Unfortunately the app just is showing the casino rake and not the staff fee thus inflating the prize pool they are showing mislesding people...(which is what I've been saying since they introduced it)
The fees arent inclusive. The prizepool on the app are before the staff fees.They take 17% for rake + staff fees$415 x 16301 = $6,764,915 prize being given out in 2025Last year's colossus was $6,331,384. ($328 x 19303).Unfortunately the app just is showing the casino rake and not the staff fee thus inflating the prize pool they are showing mislesding people...(which is what I'
In years past, did the tournament clock show the prizepool in the same way? If so, then very little has changed, other than easier access to the tournament clock. Maybe it’s misleading, but who really pays attention to the specific prizepool number? It’s virtually meaningless and certainly shouldn’t be used to compare events year to year.
Trying to figure out how much money I should take with me for cash games and general gambling, thinking about $6,500
Reckon I will have any issues at Border Control with that much? I know the max before you have to declare is $10,000 but i've heard stories lol
Have you heard of the EdgeBoost debit card? If it's available to you outside of the US, then I would consider getting that. You can load it up with cash before you travel and then use it to register for WSOP events and can use it at casinos, and I think ATMs, to withdraw cash. The card is free to get, and no fee is charged to register for the WSOP tournaments. I'm not sure about fees to withdraw cash though. If you go to their website, there's a chat feature and you can ask about that.
Will have a look, thanks 👍
I'll probably just take a few grand in cash with me and if (more like when) I lose it at the tables then i'll just use ATMs and deal with the ATM fees.
Has anyone had any issues (or heard of issues) with PayPal method on the WSOP + app so far?
In years past, did the tournament clock show the prizepool in the same way? If so, then very little has changed, other than easier access to the tournament clock. Maybe it’s misleading, but who really pays attention to the specific prizepool number? It’s virtually meaningless and certainly shouldn’t be used to compare events year to year.
No, prizepool was not shown the same way in previous years. all other places show the actual prizepool. Bravo and pokeratlas show the prizepool. And it clearly shows for smaller events. Like satellites. It says there's $20,000 in prizepool but it only gives 9 tickets x $2000. What gives????
Case in point, wsop made an announcement that the prizepool was over 18m in mystery millions but it was really a tad over 17m.
Or in paradise, they guaranteed 50m but they only distributed 48.5m.
But it clearly shows people dont pay attention to rake if they're not caring what the prizepool actually is and they can keep increasing it.
No, prizepool was not shown the same way in previous years. all other places show the actual prizepool. Bravo and pokeratlas show the prizepool. And it clearly shows for smaller events. Like satellites. It says there's $20,000 in prizepool but it only gives 9 tickets x $2000. What gives???? Case in point, wsop made an announcement that the prizepool was over 18m in myst
If what you say is true then it’s definitely misleading. They certainly shouldn’t be advertising fake prizepools.
My comments re:prizepool aren’t an indication that I don’t care about rake (though I think fewer players care about it than one would like). But when it comes to rake, I look at the rake, not at the prizepool.
It is borderline sketchy that the WSOP continues to include a fine print fee instead clearly spelling out what they take out of the buy in. Every venue should do what the Venetian does and spell out clearly what is taken out. It’s surprising gaming jurisdictions don’t require this.
If what you say is true then it’s definitely misleading. They certainly shouldn’t be advertising fake prizepools. My comments re:prizepool aren’t an indication that I don’t care about rake (though I think fewer players care about it than one would like). But when it comes to rake, I look at the rake, not at the prizepool. It is borderline sketchy that the WSOP continues to incl
Oh yeah and in the app, satellites and the daily deep stacks dont even say there's a staff fee.
It just says its a 215+35 but in reality its a 200+35+15 on the paper structure
Oh yeah and in the app, satellites and the daily deep stacks dont even say there's a staff fee.
It just says its a 215+35 but in reality its a 200+35+15 on the paper structure
Also just seeing some discussion on twitter.
E.g. the 600s show 532.80+67.20. People are thinking that's the final rake and there's not an extra 4.8% taken out (28.80) making it a 504+96. Since thats what the prizepool shows as well.
Yeah, yeah I get it, you can certainly exploit that kind of play, but if there are several people playing that way, there's no arguing that the variance has increased significantly. For me, the WSOP is a rare opportunity to play true deep-stacked well-structured tournaments that just don't exist for me locally. The lower variance these tournaments should have is a far bigger pa
Don't get me wrong, I target the monster stack specifically for this reason. However, guys making it 4-5x pre doesn't mean it turns into a turbo all of a sudden. Its still very deep the first few levels. I played maybe 5-6 tables throughout the 1st day i played and nearly every player adopted the min raise to 3x max. If they dont do this, I presume they might have sone flaws fundamentally. More to this, but /end strategy.
Just trap em man. Im considering toying with the idea of going with the bigger bet strategy against better players this year to see if its tougher for them to combat.
So….apparently they canceled online Event #7 because some people couldn’t login for technical reasons.
Seems it was a bounty event where one player pulled a $100, 000 bounty and others had pulled $10, 000-20, 000 ones and aren’t going to get paid now. Looks like they determined it wasn’t fair since the whole field wasn’t there to participate.
They say they will contact those who were in the field for the start of Day Two but I have no idea what they’re going to do.
Apparently, all online events were down for people so I’m not sure what they’re planning on doing for the other events.
What a complete train wreck for an online platform that shelled out $500, 000, 000 for the brand only to have their online platform crash during their inaugural running of the WSOP.
https://x.com/wsop/status/1932276937051025911?s=46
I feel bad for the players who made day 2, but am glad that the incompetence of this site has been made plain to see. WSOP.com has been a shitshow for the better part of a decade, and now that it will be in the spotlight, they will have to do something about it.
They made the software update before the WSOP last year and before GG bought them, so GG isn't really to blame for this. But hopefully now they will realize they need to step in and run WSOP.com more competently like they do their international site.
[Uploading Image...] If you buyin with a credit card for live events, is it considered a cash advance ?
That’s entirely up to the credit car issuer. But, based on reporting here it seems like most are treating it as a purchase. Still, folks should check their transactions. If it does get charged as a cash advance, you likely can’t do anything about the fee, but maybe you can do something about the interest.
