British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
I agree on holding responsible people to account and I support mandatory reporting. On child grooming and much more
Hard to see a national enquiry doing anything but hindering that. I can understand some people might disagree but Starmer isn't one of them.
It's a statutory inquiry with the power to compel witnesses, so the people who don't want to explain themselves (as to why they deliberately let the gangs carry on grooming for so long) are going to have to explain themselves anyway. Since the inquiry will likely hear from a number of victims, the authorities responsible are going to look very bad indeed, as they should.
I guess some, but virtually everyone else wants these scum detected and taken down as quickly as possible.
I really can't see why you want make abstract points about race here, scum is scum, and no one should be protected when they do this.
It’s not abstract when Elrazor and his friends on the far right like to imply that the majority of these criminal acts are carried out by people of Pakistani descent, when they don’t have the stats to prove that.
There’s obviously been a spate of this across communities in some northern towns. It would be good to find out more before hurling accusations at different ethnicities, though from past experience itt we know that’s not every incels MO.
Do you have other stats you want to share?
Any other pedo rape gangs you're angry about that you think are getting unfairly treated?
It's a statutory inquiry with the power to compel witnesses, so the people who don't want to explain themselves (as to why they deliberately let the gangs carry on grooming for so long) are going to have to explain themselves anyway. Since the inquiry will likely hear from a number of victims, the authorities responsible are going to look very bad indeed, as they should.
The authorities should look bad. They do anyway from local enquiries and they should when held to account and even prosecuted.
With a national enquiry, laywers will ensure it takes a very long time and if anyone might have some criminal responsibility they will make sure they dont answer questions as much as possible because of the fear pf incriminating themselves. It is not some easy fix - it is a very very long slow way of doing nothing about it. Everythign important will wait until the enquiry finishes and then as per usual most if not all of the recommendations will be ignored.
It's not like there's some mystery of what needs to be done.
Do you have other stats you want to share?
Any other pedo rape gangs you're angry about that you think are getting unfairly treated?
Way to twist someone’s words.
Obviously I’m delighted that every person caught involved with this has been sentenced and it’s appalling that they weren’t caught sooner. According to the girls testimonies, a large part of that was them not being taken seriously because they’re working class and the authorities regarded them as prostitutes (though prostitutes also are often victims of sexual violence, as we know from the past).
Im quite sure if they’d been called Lucy and were from Kensington the response would have been unrecognisable.
Way to twist someone’s words.Obviously I’m delighted that every person caught involved with this has been sentenced and it’s appalling that they weren’t caught sooner. According to the girls testimonies, a large part of that was them not being taken seriously because they’re working class and the authorities regarded them as prostitutes (though pro
Ah at least you have some sympathy, good to see it.
I am completely in agreement with you here. I don't think we're that different, I'm also quite angry this can be used as fuel for far-right arseholes to get votes. That concerns me greatly.
I don’t feel the need to point at something almost definitionally atrocious and say oh look, that’s atrocious, because I assume every normal person would already be thinking that.
What’s also very bad is when groups of malignant racists try to use atrocious crimes to smear one or other ethnicity.
I think your obsession with going on about how racist it is to point out rape gangs are pakistani in an awful lot of places don't work in your favour. It comes across as you siding with the authorities who didn't act because they feared being labelled racist, and by extension a callousness towards the victims.
Myself, I want anything possible to be done to spot and deal with rape gangs as quickly as it can, and anyone not doing something about it as quickly as it can to be also targeted and dealt with. I don't care what colour they are, or what community they belong to, or what community sensitivities are not taken into account.
Again, you’re demanding that people state the obvious. I guess that’s just how the internet works.
Your second paragraph is entirely obvious.
I'm also quite angry this can be used as fuel for far-right arseholes to get votes. That concerns me greatly.
I think this about so much. Obviously the issues are very serious in themselves but it's our failure the far right/extremists feed off. Housing, inequality ... child rape ... everything.
I think you're wrong if you think this national enquiry is part of the solution rather than contributing to the problem but we can disagree on this.
I think that depends on what the outcome of this inquiry is, but if I’m judging it correctly the expectation seems to be of a fairly damning indictment on some ethnic communities and the authorities in some parts of the country.
At least, that’s what Elrazor and his far right friends seem to be getting excited about.
I think that depends on what the outcome of this inquiry is, but if I’m judging it correctly the expectation seems to be of a fairly damning indictment on some ethnic communities in some parts of the country.
We get it, you want to cover up the fact they behaved in that way, which is kinda the point. You want to cover up the fact that some ethnic group(s) commit a disproportionate amount of horrific crimes, AND that law enforcement and civil servants across your country knew and covered it up for a long while.
I doubt that the inquiry's remit will include indicting whole ethnic communities. Baroness Casey, whose report recommended it because the authorities are still being sticky, found the Met institutionally racist (again) not long ago.
I think that depends on what the outcome of this inquiry is, but if I’m judging it correctly the expectation seems to be of a fairly damning indictment on some ethnic communities and the authorities in some parts of the country.
This point was referring to the process of national enquiries contributes to the problem because it's part of the culture of failing / not doing anything.
It's like someone saying what we urgently need now is a national enquirey into the failure to build council houses. No we ****ing dont.
I dont know how you can say such a thing when they managed to implement a whopping 50% of Leveson.
We get it, you want to cover up the fact they behaved in that way, which is kinda the point. You want to cover up the fact that some ethnic group(s) commit a disproportionate amount of horrific crimes, AND that law enforcement and civil servants across your country knew and covered it up for a long while.
I agree
The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.
Usual suspects at it again eh? I blame the radical left.
Oh don’t engage him in here. You know what’s coming next.
“B..b..but it’s the proportion of ethnic minorities that’s so high. We must reduce the number of low quality people we import”
I agree
Usual suspects at it again eh? I blame the radical left.
Sure let's get all the data and do all the inquiries and let's see if that report stands up or not, shall we?
Btw if whites are 80% and they are 60% of gang rapists, it's other ethnicities doing it disproportionately, i hope you get that.
Oh don’t engage him in here. You know what’s coming next.
“B..b..but it’s the proportion of ethnic minorities that’s so high. We must reduce the number of low quality people we import”
If someone uses the term *disproportionate* then yes, it's about proportions.
Keep in mind that immigrants should behave FAR BETTER than the bottom of the pile of your natives: because you can't filter out your worst natives while you can filter out mad immigrants. Immigrants should be A LOT BETTER under every metric than the median citizen obviously, with a normal filtering applying.
I'm afraid that four-year-old Home Office report may be part of the institutional problem.
The government will make it a formal requirement for ethnicity and nationality data to be collected for all child sexual abuse cases, Home Secretary Yvette Cooper says
A report into sexual abuse carried out by grooming gangs in England and Wales says there was a "collective failure to address questions about the ethnicity of grooming gangs"
The ethnicity of grooming gangs is "shied away from and is still not recorded for two-thirds of perpetrators", it finds
But the report says in areas where more data was recorded, there was a "disproportionality of group-based child sexual exploitation offending by men of Asian ethnicity"
Baroness Casey says she didn't think a national inquiry was needed before she started work on her audit into the grooming gangs scandal, since there had been one already.
But it became "absolutely clear" to her that an inquiry was needed due to the "reluctance of local areas to face up to the facts that they didn't treat victims well enough, that they haven't accepted that they have failings".
While working on her audit, Casey says she realised the government has to "grip" the issue, and the way to do that is with statutory powers.
There seems to be a specific form of bien-pensant white middle-class racism at work here, where Pakistani grooming gangs are deemed untouchable because 'it's their culture'. Which it isn't. How many Pakistanis do any of us know who think noncing like that is just fine? And if these officials thought they were protecting 'community relations', they obviously weren't. They were handing Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage a couple of jerrycans of petrol and some matches.
"disproportionality of group-based child sexual exploitation offending by men of Asian ethnicity"
the bengali community absolutely lose their **** when this gets repeated
And how exactly would BOIDS, proud supporter of Israel’s genocide of its Muslim neighbours , know that?
"disproportionality of group-based child sexual exploitation offending by men of Asian ethnicity"
the bengali community absolutely lose their **** when this gets repeated
The inquiry's going ahead, so, like the look-the-other-way types on councils and police committees, they're going to have to live with it. And inform on the offenders, where they are able.
