Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Hamas and Russia are on the same side. Israel and Ukraine are on the same side. Good to clear that up for the confused people like Knight (Victor).
Haha one of those posters^ I’ll just give you one more chance, buddy and then you’re on the ignore list. By the way, I’d like to see you present some more context other than a few sentences.
I also don’t care about being accused of being a different poster. That is very often a tactic of somebody who is presented a different side of an argument by a new contributor.
Again I’m giving Doyle one more chance to be civil and if he doesn’t want to go down that road I’m putting the guy on ignore.
Yeah I understand that the actual situation is more nuanced.
On a higher level, Hamas and Russia were both thr initial aggressors in the current conflicts.
One can debate both ways whether or not Israel or Hamas is the aggressor. As prior to Oct 7 there were multiple events involving Palestinians and Israelis in conflict with each other…. so it is a very complex situation.
By the way, Hamas is not at all comparable to Russia that is to say if you’re attempting to compare the military of Hamas to that of Russia.
Do you have any comment on IDF members and Israelis who suggest that the Netanyahu government allowed October 7 to happen. At the very least, you can surely recognize that the Gaza border is the most monitored area in the world. So how does October 7 happen? That is a legitimate question to be asked. Also, we have the Hannibal directive where Israeli soldiers are told to fire upon groups of Israeli hostages and Hamas soldiers so there’s that… we actually don’t know how many Israelis were killed by friendly fire from the IDF or Hamas on October 7.
Not to mention the Abraham accords and the growing diplomacy between Israel and Arab countries. One line of thought is that the far right in Israel were upset that there was a growing amount of diplomacy between the Muslim world and Israel, and that would probably include a recognition of a Palestinian state or one unified state and that’s something that the far right racist in Israel simply do not want. So therefore officials in Israel allowed October 7 to happen and or they decided to react extremely aggressively to it.
Hamas is also a very conservative Islamic governing body. Russia is nothing like that. Russia as a country is actually very diverse going back to the days of the Soviet Union.
Hamas was allegedly funded by or allowed to grow by Israel, according to Ron Paul and other officials. How about that? Do you have anything to say about that
Hamas is completely incapable of defending Gaza. Let alone capable of going into Israel and occupying chunks of the country as Russia has been able to do in Ukraine with a strong military with tanks, military jets , sophisticated drones and other very sophisticated military technology well trained soldiers compared to Hamas.
Hamas is completely incapable of defending Gaza. Let alone capable of going into Israel and occupying chunks of the country as Russia has been able to do in Ukraine with a strong military with tanks, military jets , sophisticated drones and other very sophisticated military technology well trained soldiers compared to Hamas.
That is not the concern. The concern is Hamas opening a second front (and Hezbollah a third) during a war with Iran. Iran by itself was sorely taxing Israeli defensive capabilities. Hamas coordinating a second front would be a major problem.
For the last 20 years Netanyahu's govt. believed Hamas controlling Gaza was beneficial as they are so destructive towards functional Palestinian society building. But times change, and clearly the Netanyahu govt believes having Hamas on their southern border is too big a liability to allow.
As I said before, viewing the Hamas war detached from everything else is a poor lens to use.
In a First, Leading Israeli Rights Group...
B’Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights.
NYT has been ignoring them for decades.
As part of the case for genocide, international law requires that there be proof of intent. In the report on Monday, B’Tselem cited a string of dehumanizing remarks by Israeli government officials, such as a statement by Yoav Gallant, a former defense minister, that Israel was fighting “human animals” in Gaza. Some Israeli politicians have also said that their goal is to drive the remaining Palestinians out of Gaza.
B'Tselem accuses Israel of "“coordinated action to intentionally destroy Palestinian society."
Anybody going to disagree with that? Oh that's right, you agree with doing that.
DBF is so stupid he thinks sharing some opinions with Vic means you're an alt account, even if the prose style is radically different.
Maybe. We are taught that the genocidal European White Empire led by the Great Satan USA carrying the torch of the Brits and Romans from before is unstoppable and resistance is futile and suicidal. They invest a ton of resources to make you believe that. But maybe it's not.
B'Tselem accuses Israel of "“coordinated action to intentionally destroy Palestinian society."
It has been obvious for a long time now that Israel intends to make Gaza uninhabitable for Palestinians for the foreseeable future, which very likely means permanent displacement.
It has been obvious for long time now that Israel intends to make Gaza uninhabitable for Palestinians for the foreseeable future, which very likely means permanent displacement.
its kinda weird bc this thread has been arguing for almost 2 years that Israel isnt doing genocide. now its "obvious".
ahh well, you dont credit for being right in this world. being right and no one listening until its too late is just part and parcel for a lefitst.
Whats obvious is that the situation in Palestine has gotten infinitely worse in the last 6 months. Now I wonder what happened ~6 months ago that has facilitated things becoming infinitely worse?
The world may never know
DBF is so stupid he thinks sharing some opinions with Vic means you're an alt account, even if the prose style is radically different.
I stopped reading his posts after he claimed Hamas offered to give the hostages back (without disarmament) and started talking about conspiracy theories (Israel letting Oct 7th happen). I didn’t get a good read on his prose style.
But I am stupid because only a stupid person would continue to come back and engage you people.
its kinda weird bc this thread has been arguing for almost 2 years that Israel isnt doing genocide. now its "obvious".
I almost never read this thread. I have only a vague idea of what the overall tenor has been over the last eighteen months.
It has been obvious for a long time now that Israel intends to make Gaza uninhabitable for Palestinians for the foreseeable future, which very likely means permanent displacement.
they literally said from the very beginning that ethnic cleansing / genocide was their goal with this, many shitlibs just buried their heads in the sand about this reality
Whats obvious is that the situation in Palestine has gotten infinitely worse in the last 6 months. Now I wonder what happened ~6 months ago that has facilitated things becoming infinitely worse?
The world may never know
shut the **** up
Inevitable that libs would try to pivot the newly discovered genocide to being all about Trump.
Whats obvious is that the situation in Palestine has gotten infinitely worse in the last 6 months. Now I wonder what happened ~6 months ago that has facilitated things becoming infinitely worse?
The world may never know
it actually didnt get "infinitely" worse. it was already full on genocide and it is just progressing at the same clip.
Inevitable that libs would try to pivot the newly discovered genocide to being all about Trump.
it was so predictable. we called it as soon as Trump won. they arent going to wipe that stink away.
Both sides have wanted to genocide the other for 100 years now. Israel is currently and has historically been better equipped to genocide the Palestinians than vice versa. Thats why it was so ill advised for Hamas to continually wage ware against the Israelis.
Now Israel is just doing war crimes out in the open for the world to see and Trump is planning where to put his Gaza Taj Mahal and somehow we are mad at the libs who quite literally predicted this would be the exact outcome of a Trump presidency
it was so predictable. we called it as soon as Trump won. they arent going to wipe that stink away.
Brother, this is lunacy. I told you exactly what would happen for a year straight. You don't get to claim my victory. You are the one who claimed this wouldn't happen
I stopped reading his posts after he claimed Hamas offered to give the hostages back (without disarmament) and started talking about conspiracy theories (Israel letting Oct 7th happen). I didn’t get a good read on his prose style.
But I am stupid because only a stupid person would continue to come back and engage you people.
Mentioning that Israeli people themselves believe their gov or rogue officials within the government allowed October 7 to happen….is not the same as personally believing it.
It’s also rude and cowardly to continually indirectly respond to someone without directly quoting them.
Inevitable that libs would try to pivot the newly discovered genocide to being all about Trump.
It's arguable that Trump's weird Riviera remarks greenlit the Israelis' ethnic-cleansing plans and assured them that the US would impose no check, but then the US hasn't imposed any check since 1968 anyway, bearing in mind that the US only got so heavily involved when France and Britain suspended arms exports due to Israel's 1967 aggression.
It has often been remarked that Eisenhower, for one, would be astonished at how successive presidents since Johnson have hogtied US foreign policy to this one particular problematic foreign state regardless of political cost.
they've been doing them the entire time you shithead, and your stupid ******* blue team helped them every step of the way. from the very bottom of my heart, go **** yourself
