Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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You still defending this person Jalfrezi? This tweet was in response to an Israeli bomb inadvertendly hitting a church, which they apologized for. What is real sick and ironic about this person's worldview is that in the last couple months Islamists in Syria and Congo committed mass terrorist attacks targeting Church congregations in service, killing and maiming a lot of (Chr
Ok tell us all your thoughts on Islam. I have a positive view of Judaism.
No one really is buying your selling points. Obviously Owens does not like Al Qaeda types. That you need her to specifically call out an event is just ridiculous. Like there is no logic to what you’re saying whatsoever. I’ll agree that a lot of those events are under reported on in the west. Including the disaster in Haiti, or the ongoing war in Myanmar. That does not make the ongoing genocide of Palestinians correct or righteous.
You are becoming the very thing that I think you detest which ..a far left radical type who tries to silence or diminish people by calling them a racist.. You know you can support Israel while criticizing its current government. It’s kind of like in the past criticizing the US war in Vietnam while being an American patriot. But then again you Support the insane war in Gaza don’t you ???
Btw at least North Vietnam and the Viet cong had a strong military apparatus the people of Gaza have nothing. It is a total bloodbath.
Calling somebody racist because they don’t like the policies of a foreign government. You’ve gotten nothing at all man. Owens associates with Jews, she works with Jews. She admires Jewish journalists…. She has millions of followers from the United States to Africa to Asia.
And please there is plenty of anti-Christian bigotry from Israel. And there is no proof that they accidentally hit the church in Gaza. One of the most sophisticated militaries in the world who can use pinpoint accuracy to attack political enemies in Iran, 1400 miles away. Please give us all a break.
“Israeli ultra-Orthodox Jews spit on Christians and churches”
https://youtube.com/shorts/7TwEQX6zwUI?s...
“Israeli says to American stopped by Israeli police: “The Godly thing to do is to kill you.”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lq28ZFNzaW...
“Two women killed in Israeli attack on Holy Family parish in Gaza”
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/world/news...
And there’s plenty more examples. So why don’t you call for the Israeli government to change their policy instead of this bizarre tactic of bringing up different events. Nobody in this thread condones the tragedies that are occurring in Africa or other parts of the world.
Israel is not being singled out. Again, Russia is practically hated by the Western press. So was Syria under Assad. This whole bs about Israel being singled out is absurd. Israel claims to be some kind of a democracy and the most humanitarian country in the Middle East. The most humanitarian military in the world. It is propped up by US taxpayer dollars even though most American citizens no longer want that. Is Russia propped up by US taxpayer dollars to invade Ukraine, like Israel is to invade Gaza? Nope. Heck the US gov provides money and military weapons to Israel It’s a disgrace.
He cited Fresh and Fit, Candice Owens, Tucker Carlson, all of whom have had pro holocaust denial statements in the last year. You think that holocaust denial is not being a raging Jew hater idk what to tell you. Furthermore, I never said any criticism towards the state of Israel is antisemetic. I’ve criticized Israel plenty in this thread, including saying that I think th
Let’s go ahead and look at someone like Ben Shapiro Who has made very very controversial remarks. I don’t agree with the guy on a lot of things.
But Is he a Muslim hater.?? I actually don’t think so. I don’t think the guy hates Islam. He says some really aggressive things about groups of Muslims and individual Muslims.. That doesn’t make the guy some kind of a bigot. We need to specifically see him saying Islam is evil. Or in the case of Jews somebody actually has to say Judaism is evil or they refuse to hire a Jew for a job even if they’re qualified. There are dictionary definitions for this stuff.
And by the way, even the people that Tucker Carlson has had on his program deny being a holocaust denier. That includes Cooper …This idea of thinking somebody is a racist because of “coded language”. It is ridiculous. It is in large part why the left-wing lost the 2024 election. People are past that wokeism type ideology.
And let’s state another obvious point. A journalist or a podcaster or who brings on a controversial guest is not at all the same thing as that specific journalist or podcaster saying something racist. This is so obvious.
You know you can support Israel while criticizing its current government. It’s kind of like in the past criticizing the US war in Vietnam while being an American patriot. But then again you Support the insane war in Gaza don’t you ???
at this point you cant. the point of a system is what it does. and this system does mass murder for fun and profit. there has been only one conflict that America was on the moral side of and that was only bc they wanted to usurp the Brits and hold off the Soviets. American patriots should own that they support genocide of the natives, slavery, genocide in Philippines, mass murder throughout South America and Asia, genocide in Vietnam, genocide in Korea, genocide in Iraq (see a pattern yet?) and now ofc genocide in Gaza.
at this point you cant. the point of a system is what it does. and this system does mass murder for fun and profit. there has been only one conflict that America was on the moral side of and that was only bc they wanted to usurp the Brits and hold off the Soviets. American patriots should own that they support genocide of the natives, slavery, genocide in Philippines, mass
Here’s a point that you barely have if at all responded to. Slavery and discrimination was a worldwide issue. Not unique to any group of people. You’ve also criticized the Roman Empire as being some kind of a genocidal racist empire. When in fact there were Arab and African emperors of that empire. And in fact, people of all different denominations and skin color in the most prominent positions within the empire. Yes, they expanded through warfare as did empires in Africa like the Mali Empire. Various tribes in America fought to gain territory well before the “white man” entered. This is accepted historical fact. I don’t know what your deal is. Seems like you’re letting ideological views get in the way of history.
There are some current fundamental differences between the United States and many countries of the world. It is quite interesting that the USA is the number one destination for black refugees from Africa. It’s not a racist country by that stat and many other points.
Israel is home to Jews from all over the world, bringing with them many different ideologies to the country. They even had communist politicians in its early days. Unfortunately right now the racist right wing in Israel clearly has a lot of power. But Many in Israel are protesting the war in Gaza. We have seen Israeli soldiers who have testified they believe their government allowed October 7 to happen. You see it’s about dropping ones ideological views or favoritism throughout history. People should just look at the facts on the ground. Simply use common sense.
Well they are… Israel already has full control over Gaza. They control the airspace and maritime trade of Gaza.
That should be expected as the people of Gaza do not have any sort of capable military to defend themselves. Unlike Say the people of Ukraine who have access to sophisticated drones, tanks, military jets. High-powered weaponry supplied to them in large part by Western countries. That right there is the critical difference…
Five Al Jazeera journalists have been killed in an Israeli strike in Gaza City, the broadcaster says
The Israeli military confirms it targeted 28-year-old correspondent Anas al-Sharif, alleging he had "served as the head of a terrorist cell in Hamas"
But Al Jazeera called it a "targeted assassination" and "yet another blatant and premeditated attack on press freedom"
Jeremy Bowen, the BBC's international editor, has seen Israel's evidence to back up its claim about Sharif and says it is unconvincing
To be fair they warned him to stop covering the famine, what else could they do?
Israel needs to be demilitarised.
oh my bad, greenwald is actually a rabid antisemite as well.
He just praised Fuentes ffs
What else did he say about Fuentes apart from
For young conservative men under 30, he is arguably the single most influential and admired conservative influencer.
That’s just his opinion about how popular Fuentes is with that demographic.
You trying to spin this into antisemitism is a pile of shite from you, as usual.
oh my bad, greenwald is actually a rabid antisemite as well.
He just praised Fuentes ffs
It’s a nothing burger. I might agree with some of what Ben Shapiro(accused of being a “raging anti Muslim”😉 has to say but disagree with his stance on other things. You know how often Fox News brings on guests who have made very controversial remarks on entire groups of people.
Your type of line of argument is about 10 years old. People don’t want to cancel others now for some flimsy reason….and folks certainly will not blow off the great work of well respected journalists who do an interview with anyone. Dan rather interviewed Sam Hussein 20 years ago does that make him some kind of a monster?
Even if you don’t like Fuentes…. You cannot blow off every single thing he has to say and just hide behind the wall of the guy being some kind of a “raging antisemite” same thing with somebody who attempts to completely dismiss anything Ben Shapiro or someone like him says because they are allegedly a “raging anti-Muslim”. That’s not how the real world works. This is not just a bad tactic by some pro Israel people, but it is something that we have seen in recent American politics, where people just blow off an argument with legitimate points because of the person who is saying it has made controversial remarks at some other point. Thankfully there has been a very healthy pushback against this type of cancel culture.
oh my bad, greenwald is actually a rabid antisemite as well.
He just praised Fuentes ffs
That’s not even really praise. But again it’s simply a low class way to dismiss a well respected journalist like Greenwald. And most are not buying it thank God. I watch Greenwald quite a bit and he is obviously the type of guy who disagrees with Fuentes on a number of things including the controversial things Fuentes has said. You got nothing here man.
Really weird tactics by apparently pro Israel people who in the face of 50,000 Palestinians being killed, journalists killed by the IDF, and journalists banned from entering Gaza ……are complaining about what some influencers have at times had to say. Wow.
Sad but true.
Unfortunately for the pro-Israel crowd, that's about the only "argument" they have left.
Hard to imagine that there is any fair-minded person left who doesn't acknowledge that Israel is committing genocide.
#defundIsrael
I suppose what's new is that IDF chiefs want to end the war, claiming every possible military objective has been achieved (they don't want to carry out a proper occupation and census block by block for fear of casualties in such a detailed counter-insurgency operation, because they prefer just generally terrorising their ethnic enemies, which is all they're good at), but the political chiefs very much propose to continue the war anyway, partly because some of the cabinet are crazy genociders and partly because Netanyahu's legal problems will re-emerge as soon as the war ends, so he wants to put that day off.
I suppose what's new is that IDF chiefs want to end the war, claiming every possible military objective has been achieved (they don't want to carry out a proper occupation and census block by block for fear of casualties in such a detailed counter-insurgency operation, because they prefer just generally terrorising their ethnic enemies, which is all they're good at), but the po
The complete dismantlement of the Axis of Resistance has been one of the greatest military victories in modern times but go off on how Israel is only good at terrorizing ethnic enemies. I don’t disagree with some of your thoughts but your bias is showing. Hezbollah was touted as the strongest non state military in the Arab world and it caved in under 2 weeks with no resistance. Meanwhile, Iran has resigned to let Israel do whatever it likes (no surprise given the Axis of Resistance put up no resistance).
Maybe you’re projecting here, because it seems like the IDF is very effective while the Arabs are the ones who aren’t very good at anything except terrorizing ethnic minorities (Jews). Unless you’re on some sort of Victor news feed where they tell you Hezbollah destroyed the IDF and Iran destroyed Israel and Jerusalem is a month away from falling. But I don’t think you’re quite that delusional.
The realities are Bibi is evil and the Israelis are incredibly good at modern warfare, especially when pitted against dysfunctional theocracies that care more about consolidating power and maintaining medieval living conditions than fielding an effective military.
if Hezbollah was actually dismantled then there would be Jewish Supremacists living all over Southern Lebanon and running torture camps filled with the natives. in fact, they could not win militarily so they are using the pretense of a ceasefire to attempt to steal the land. maybe they will be successful but I think they will focus on exterminating the West Bank Palestinians first.
Sad but true.
Unfortunately for the pro-Israel crowd, that's about the only "argument" they have left.
Hard to imagine that there is any fair-minded person left who doesn't acknowledge that Israel is committing genocide.
#defundIsrael
I am sure the squatters in Gaza are regretting their decision to bomb and kidnap innocent israelis.
The complete dismantlement of the Axis of Resistance has been one of the greatest military victories in modern times but go off on how Israel is only good at terrorizing ethnic enemies. I don’t disagree with some of your thoughts but your bias is showing. Hezbollah was touted as the strongest non state military in the Arab world and it caved in under 2 weeks with no resistanc
evil leader, great military victories, beating strongest armies easily, dominant in modern warfare ...
doesn't always end well
"journalist"
evil leader, great military victories, beating strongest armies easily, dominant in modern warfare ...
doesn't always end well
That’s a pretty lazy comparison that ignores a lot of the present reality but I do agree that Netanyahu’s coalition’s military victories have come at a price. As with most things in the real world, it’s not black and white. As much as you want to perpetuate the idea, the reality is Israel as a whole is not highly motivated by land capture and the only times they take land is during defensive maneuvers. Bibi and his party might have other ideas though and his definitive victories over the Axis of Resistance have helped to secure his position.
