Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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It's not really a comparison.
As with many things the short term 'gains' can be amazing and obvious while the costs of the damage comes later. It does cement the evil peoples hold which is a big part of the danger for israel.
FYI that's a fake telegram message.
And even if it wasn't, the Genocidal Jewish Supremacists have no right to murder him for it.
Luciom posting debunked fake screenshots.
Fack off with your shite you disgusting creepy little fascist.
This was proven fake as soon as Israel released it.
He had a large reach on social media and had reported Israel threatening him to stop, he even predicted his own assassination. There's no justification for it even if you're a head-in-the-sand Zionist.
This was proven fake as soon as Israel released it.
He had a large reach on social media and had reported Israel threatening him to stop, he even predicted his own assassination. There's no justification for it even if you're a head-in-the-sand Zionist.
Is there a source that proves it is fake? I would be interested to take a look.
Lol why would you care? You aren't going to suddenly decide you aren't happy that the genocidal supremacists burned him alive.
Lol why would you care? You aren't going to suddenly decide you aren't happy that the genocidal supremacists burned him alive.
My involvement and interest in the conflict isn’t purely emotional like yours. I’m not happy nor sad. I’ll take that as you don’t have a source, but maybe The Imp can provide one.
That’s not even really praise. But again it’s simply a low class way to dismiss a well respected journalist like Greenwald. And most are not buying it thank God. I watch Greenwald quite a bit and he is obviously the type of guy who disagrees with Fuentes on a number of things including the controversial things Fuentes has said. You got nothing here man.
Calling Nick Fuentes "controversial" is beyond charitable.
Fuentes, 25, often praises Adolf Hitler and questions whether the Holocaust happened. He has called for a “holy war” against Jews and compared the 6 million killed by the Nazis to cookies being baked in an oven. He wants the U.S. government under authoritarian, “Catholic Taliban rule,” and has been vocal about his disdain for women, Muslims, the LGBTQ+ community and others.
"All I want is revenge against my enemies and a total Aryan victory,” Fuentes said last year.
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I mean does praising Hitler and some mild Holocaust denial really make someone an antisemite these days? I’m pretty sure it’s just a made up construct used to oppress poor brown people.
My involvement and interest in the conflict isn’t purely emotional like yours. I’m not happy nor sad. I’ll take that as you don’t have a source, but maybe The Imp can provide one.
the source is literally his Telegram channel.
Tell me you’ve never used Telegram before without telling me… you know how it goes.
Calling Nick Fuentes "controversial" is beyond charitable.
That’s the exact type of thing Glenn Greenwald would adamantly criticize. And by the way, perhaps you caught the Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens podcast where Tucker Carlson went off on Fuentes claiming that he is basically an agent provocateur.
Anyway the big point there is a genocide in Palestine according to even quite a few Jewish scholars in Israel. Even a ex Prime Minister of Israel says Netanyahu is a war criminal.
“Why Ehud Olmert Thinks His Country Is Committing War Crimes”
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/w....
50,000 dead Palestinians a low estimate btw there’s many of them who are missing…. It often what I see by the pro Israel or pro Netanyahu crowd is to pinpoint one off statements by podcasters that they don’t like. As if that somehow compares to a genocide. What’s going on here?
I’ve also seen some pro Israel folks in this thread make really bizarre one off statements like accusing people with no evidence of engaging in Jewish blood libels or conspiracy theories . It’s usually done after somebody provides multiple sources and multiple paragraphs criticizing Israeli policy….. what also happens is some pro Israel person will see that and will just make a one sentence hit-and-run post, barely even responding to any of the context.
I’ve also seen a significant downplay by the pro Netanyahu crowd of the Israeli soldiers testifying that they believe October 7 was allowed by the Israeli government ….again a reasonable person will ask how in the most monitored area of the world that attack occurred… Israel can launch pinpoint attacks against political enemies 1400 miles away in Iran and it takes the IDF six hours to respond to October 7. It’s really pathetic how some people who support Israel blow that off as some kind of an anti-Jewish conspiracy theory. ..riiight when it is idf members including one I have personally spoken with in Asia, who hold this belief
I don’t even think Israel’s policy of targeted assassination is a good precedent to set. Even if they were right about this journalist being Hamas, so what?
It’s obviously just not worth it even if this guy was a psychopathic murderer. But there’s really no good evidence that he is one.
it takes the IDF six hours to respond to October 7.
this is fake news. they responded right away. Israeli media here: https://z.ynet.co.il/long/content/specia... you can find a better translation from Electronic Intifada but you get the point with the google translate.
Just another monday
Desperate scenes in Gaza City after at least 15 people, mostly children, killed in Israeli strikes
At least 15 Palestinians, most of them children, were killed in two separate Israeli strikes overnight in Gaza City, a hospital there said Monday.
I don’t even think Israel’s policy of targeted assassination is a good precedent to set. Even if they were right about this journalist being Hamas, so what?
It’s obviously just not worth it even if this guy was a psychopathic murderer. But there’s really no good evidence that he is one.
I don't understand. If someone is hamas (or materially supports hamas), killing him is moral, good, proper, reasonable and so on.
He doesn't need to be a "psychopathic murder" to qualify. Any assistance to terrorist psychopathic murderers makes him a fair target.
If this person ever assisted hamas to stage any propaganda video, or filmed some himself, or assisted hamas with logistics because, being on the ground he had knowledge of where IDF was or anything like that, killing him is fair , reasonable and so on.
What part of "everyone who is a member of hamas (or any other group that attacks Israel like Hezbollah and so on) or that materially supported or supports hamas (or any other such group) has to be killed" do you disagree with and why? remember the goal is to guarantee, at any cost, that in the future no more terrorist attacks will be wages against Israel from Gaza.
Or do you disagree with that goal?
Just another monday
Desperate scenes in Gaza City after at least 15 people, mostly children, killed in Israeli strikes
At least 15 Palestinians, most of them children, were killed in two separate Israeli strikes overnight in Gaza City, a hospital there said Monday.
I don't understand, are you sure the video is from gaza? at second 17 3 very overweight women appear on the left. How is that physically possible given that according to "experts" gaza has been lacking food for 2 years and is in an extreme caresty modality or whatever the expression is?
I don't understand. If someone is hamas (or materially supports hamas), killing him is moral, good, proper, reasonable and so on.He doesn't need to be a "psychopathic murder" to qualify. Any assistance to terrorist psychopathic murderers makes him a fair target.If this person ever assisted hamas to stage any propaganda video, or filmed some himself, or assisted hamas with logis
No, I think that it’s not a good idea to set the precedent that you can assassinate people next to a hospital with spurious evidence, and this is especially true of a huge public figure. And remember that he was killed in a tent with other reporters. Not only that, but this was no random on twitter being called a reporter, he was part of a team that won a pulitzer prize.
I don’t buy the “win at all costs” method of war, and I don’t think Israel has made a good enough attempt of ensuring every target is a legitimate target of war. You’re retroactively attributing possible justification.
I’m also partially basing this objection off of the recent interview Netanyahu had with Fox News where he said that he wanted to have more reporters on the ground. I think many reporters will consider this man a colleague, and without the proper and transparent justification over killing such a large public figure that ostensibly had very little actual strategic value to Hamas, as his reporting was probably widely tracked by Israeli intelligence (with the help of biometric tracking firms like Palantir), this was probably just an empty promise from him.
Of course if you think Israel should win at all costs, it’s moral, proper, and so on to say anything that can advance the cause of Israel, even if it’s a lie.
I also thought that the goal of the occupation, if it’s not just pretextual, was to reduce the amount of remote operations and increase the on the ground presence such that civilian casualties could more realistically be minimized. This would include the large journalist casualty count, which will of course be exacerbated by Hamas and the urban nature of the conflict. But when you take him out like this, it certainly has the appearance of a chilling effect. Maybe you’re ok with that but I’m not. The decision-making behind this should be made transparent, and we should not accept spurious accusations as reality.
Calling Nick Fuentes "controversial" is beyond charitable.
to be clear the "cookies in the ovens" thing isn't a Fuentes thing. It's a known nazi trope , the way they discussed holocaust denialism in countries and eras where the topic was forbidden (even illegal, in some countries).
So they would write stuff like "if you have X ovens and they can cook Y cookies per day" and so on, to claim cooking 6M was impossible.
So it isn't "just a joke", it's a trait d'union with the previous generation of neonazists, who had to stay "underground".
But anyway point is, claiming that vile person is "the most admired influencer on the right by the under 30" is so insanely false in an objective sense, there cannot be any other reason to do that other than to try to normalize him.
And attempting to normalize what is the most blatant actual nazi around these days, is antisemitism
Palestinian Telegram channels confirm that Anas Al-Sharif, the Al Jazeera “journalist,” gave Hamas the names of Gazans protesting its rule — so they could be “liquidated.”
btw the telegram post celebrating hamas terrorists as "heroes, by the terrorist "journalist" hasn't been "debunked" at all , and while he deleted it, it was in group chats that preserved it, and it has been proven to be real.
oh right its from the super secret part of Telegram and just happens to have deleted only to be miraculously revived by a genocidal Jewish Supremacist propagandist right after the Supremacist state burned him alive. seems legit, carry on.
