Israel/Palestine thread

Pathetic

Sorry. I think you are mistaken on this. You seem like the kind of person that always views Israel in bad faith to confirm your own biases.

The Israeli religious right has its own motivations, and its uses. But for most of Israeli history, Israel’s leaders have been secular and pragmatic. And control of the West Bank and golan heights has extremely pragmatic military uses, which is the main reason Israeli has insisted on controlling these regions.

And it isn’t an accident that when the Israeli left made concessions and gave up control of the West Bank, the second infintada happened. Which was arguably much more devastating to Israel, especially psychologically, than even 10/7.

It is widely accepted that the second infintada is when Israeli society as a whole decides Palestinians would never make true peace, and israeli had to unilaterally work towards an acceptable status quo.

This isn’t the 1960s anymore. What we are witnessing is the worst ever violence and afflicted on Palestinians ever. You would think that going by what some of the pro-Israel crowd is saying there will be Jordanian, Egyptian and Syrian tanks rolling into Tel Aviv, their jets striking Jerusalem.

But Theres nothing….lots onlookers also saying the former Al-Qaeda leader of Syria is actually pro Israel. Israel’s only enemy has been largely decimated in Iran and Lebanon with Israel receiving intelligence from Saudi Arabia on Iran.

Of course as always your narrative on October 7 has been challenged by many people, including Israeli Jews.

it probably would help to have a one state solution. One army with a mandatory draft for all citizens, Muslims, Christians and Jews. But you see the extremists on both sides hate that they want there to be hatred in division. And they can’t stand The many people on both sides who simply want peace.

Yes Hamas imo are radical right wing….The thing is the Palestinians have no effective military power whatsoever. It’s the extremist in Israel who do have the military power.

Israel will do what it wants…. As no counter organization is effective or willing to stop them. Unlike Say the western intervention in Ukraine. The hypocrisy is beyond words….But the world and history is watching what the IDF does in Gaza.

So, even given 20/20 hindsight, you don't believe that the 10/7 attack on Israel was a mistake?

I believe in armed resistance against genocidal occupational regimes as is stipulated by international law and more importantly by the moral code of any freedom loving person.

to your point, I am not going to tell people who have been murdered, raped, and oppressed for at least 80 years how to resist. your gotcha question is reminiscent of the liberal ideals of the antebellum USA where slaves were blamed for their escapes because it wrought collective punishment on their families and friends. or how liberals would make such infantilizing arguments about how they just werent ready to be freed due to their nature or whatever bullshit.

poll the Palestinians living in Gaza and the West Bank on if it was a mistake and I will agree with whatever they say.

Help with what? Civil war and societal breakdown in a nation with extremely advanced weaponry? You want Hamas or PIJ to have access to nuclear weapons and F-35s?

Just remember that victor is a liar who absolutely does not actually care about that, because his opinions on Ukraine evince that this is only a position of convenience

I dont have a problem with Ukrainian volunteers fighting against the Russian invasion. I have a problem with a puppet regime that unleashes corrupt roving bands of slave catchers violently snatching anyone they can find off from the streets and villages of Ukraine and forcing them to die so that the comprador regime and its chronies can continue to enrich themselves. its always for fun and profit with the capitalistic White Empire.

Terrorist state

White woman surprised to learn that when things blow up, debris goes flying. What a profound discovery, thanks for sharing it.

You can tell these people are running out of material.

Sorry, I left the ethnic red herring out there and everyone ignored my more interesting point.

Why is the solution to disillusionment in the youth to explain why other nations/leaders are worse rather than actually aligning oneself with the values these youths are taught growing up?

To give the American right credit, they seem less content to wallow in hypocrisy, and are moving toward a more overt Machiavellian approach a la Russia. A big step that needs to be made is to stop teaching very young kids values like freedom and self-determination, as this gives leftist professors tons of ammo to "corrupt" them once they hit thinking age.

I’d put a lot of money on her being an order of magnitude more intelligent than a witless turd like you.

Israel is well known for using weapons meant to cause as much "collateral" damage on children as possible. thats what she is referring to.

So I bring it up only because I think it's the proper framing for any discussion about Gaza/Hamas/10-7. And I bring up plenty of things repeatedly that aren't sinister. Although in this specific case it still is a little sinister for sure to be supporting people bent on your destruction-- I just said it wasn't that sinister.

As far as Hamas not being in charge of Gaza yes that seems reasonable and Israeli governments have tried that in the past but Netanyahu keeps getting voted back into power.

The percentage of people killed in the Ukrainian conflict who were children is 0.3%.

The percentage of people killed in Gaza who were children is 37.7%.

That’s the difference between a war and a genocide.

Your only contributions to this thread have been ad hominem and other people’s thoughts. Your opinion on people’s intelligence is meaningless.

Ukraine fields a uniformed army that aims to protect civilians. Hamas fields an army that disguises itself as civilians and uses them as shields.

An interesting question is how many “children” were involved in Al Asqa Flood as combatants. Unfortunately, I don’t think there’s a good source for that information.

or just, you know, the IDF likes sniping kids.

Ukraine hunts down its own civilians on the street to use as slave meat shields so that its Western masters can profit.

Sometimes two things can both be true. I know it’s difficult for you to wrap your head around that.

Not a single person cares about what you have to say. Show a source.