Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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bruv, who is going to free them from Israel? and why isnt the West Bank free where Hamas has almost no presence?
NOT Hamas.
Because Israel is breaking international law and if we had leaders with a spine or dare I say leaders who weren't in the pocket of the forever victims things could've been different.
But just to be clear. Terrorism isn't the answer.
Like why do people have to pretend that our relationship to Israel hasn’t been tremendously beneficial to the US?
It's beneficial to empire. What do WE get out of that?
NOT Hamas.
Because Israel is breaking international law and if we had leaders with a spine or dare I say leaders who weren't in the pocket of the forever victims things could've been different.
But just to be clear. Terrorism isn't the answer.
its not terrorism. we dont have the leaders you prefer. and the current leaders are not in the pocket of Israel but rather controlling Israel themselves. as Nasrallah said, the tail doesnt wag the dog.
We get significantly less boots on the ground in the middle east through proxy wars and focused operations
The US wants a presence in the ME. That's the only thing Israel is good for. I guess dragging the US into wars and killing women and children too.
I did give some examples of other things we get out of it, but sure we get a presence in the Middle East. That’s no small thing considering our other choices for a presence.
Now you might be tempted to say, “well we don’t need a presence”. That’s true, but it’s not like if the US withdraws from the ME completely that everyone else will. China, Russia, Iran, Turkey, will all still be intervening in other countries without our presence. So we’re not “causing” the mess, the mess will exist without us.
Trade is enabled by global stability, which requires one country to be driving the ship. As we see with the rise of Trump and multipolarity, as we saw at the height of the cold war, and as we saw during WW1 and WW2, having too many people competing for the top dog spot is not conducive to global stability.
Well the Nevada prosecutor Sigal Chattah who let the Israeli pedophile flee to Israel is herself from Israel….with connections to various Zionist organizations and major pro Israel donors.
Go figure.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c81N7ob5u3...
How are these awful people allowed to be anywhere close to the US government?
I did give some examples of other things we get out of it, but sure we get a presence in the Middle East. That’s no small thing considering our other choices for a presence.Now you might be tempted to say, “well we don’t need a presence”. That’s true, but it’s not like if the US withdraws from the ME completely that everyone else will. China, Russia, Iran, Turkey, will all stil
That's fair.
Absolutely true.
But folks with a functioning moral compass typically do not resort to terrorism.
Well first the word terrorist is politically loaded.
In any event The early Zionists were similar to Hamas members.. the Irgun, Lehi and other Zionist militants committed terrorist acts against civilians ie the king David hotel bombing and other acts targeting British civilians.
“The Jewish groups including Haganah to Irgun, and the Stern Gang (Lehi) actively used terrorism against the British mandate over Palestine and to create fear among the Arab citizens.
“I argue that Jewish terrorism in the 1940s was both tactically and strategically significant. At the tactical level, Jewish terrorists were able to frustrate British security forces and erode their ability to control Palestine,” wrote David A. Charters, professor of military history and senior fellow of the Gregg Centre for Study of War and Society at the University of New Brunswick, Canada.“
As during this time Zionists lacked the military capability they have today…hence their methods
If you live in an area with a high concentration of Federal defense contractors, such as key population centers around the country, it contributes significantly to your local economy and high standards of living.
On top of that, we benefit greatly from “the empire” being world dominant. If you don’t like it, you can move to a country like Russia, China, or Iran where they are actively pushing back on western hegemony and your standard of living will probably be significantly lower. Why not put your money where you mouth is Bill?
Intelligence, RnD from their military, commerce, a balancing force to our adversaries, a key trade outpost…
Like why do people have to pretend that our relationship to Israel hasn’t been tremendously beneficial to the US?
Because they are emotional people who don’t think logically.
what do you get as a citizen of the empire? well for one, you get to be the reserve currency of the world. That allows you to run massive trade deficits systematically, which means your people can consume more in aggregate than they can produce, year after year after year.
That has been defined "exhorbitant privilege" in economics. A massive privilege only 1 country at a time worldwide can enjoy.
The US attorney also a citizen of Israel^ who let the Israeli pedophile flee to Israel. Her values are not inline with US values… someone like that can’t be allowed anywhere near the US government.
The US attorney also a citizen of Israel^ who let the Israeli pedophile flee to Israel. Her values are not inline with US values… someone like that can’t be allowed anywhere near the US government.
Effectively campaigning and voting for Trump was probably not the move if you want to rid the American government of fascists. Oopsie. Sorry if you weren’t a Genocide Joe puppet.
In any event The early Zionists were similar to Hamas members
an absolutely ludicrous statement.
I did give some examples of other things we get out of it, but sure we get a presence in the Middle East. That’s no small thing considering our other choices for a presence.Now you might be tempted to say, “well we don’t need a presence”. That’s true, but it’s not like if the US withdraws from the ME completely that everyone else will. China, Russia, Iran, Turkey, will al
The US has Middle East bases at Al Udeid in Qatar, Thumrait in Oman, Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia, Al Dhafra south of Abu Dhabi in the UAE, plus a number of bases in Kuwait including Camp Arifjan (Forward HQ US Army Central) and Ali Al Salem Air Base. There are 40,000 permanent US military personnel in the region as of now, none of them in Israel. The US also has the use of Incirlik Air Base in Turkey and, conditionally, RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus and, further away, RAF Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean (configured for long-range B-1s, B-2s, B-52s and their supports).
Hamas targeted military bases. the early Zionist terrorist gangs explicitly targeted civilians. in fact, they planed for years to displace the entire population and to do so they used some of the most heinous methods in history.
even if Hamas exclusively targeted civilians, the wouldnt come close to the intentional destruction wrought on the innocent native population by the Zionist invaders.
seriously, read about the massacres by the Zionists where they exterminated entire villages killing all the men women and children. where they committed mass rape and child murder on an unprecedented scale.
The US has a war reserve stockpile in Israel estimated at 1billion in value.
No, this is a mistaken view.
the early Zionist terrorist gangs explicitly targeted civilians.
They also targeted what they called a military base, the British HQ at the King David Hotel, though it was an admin base and most people present in the building were civilian.
seriously, read about the massacres by the Zionists where they exterminated entire villages killing all the men women and children. where they committed mass rape and child murder on an unprecedented scale.
It was hardly unprecedented, given the Nazis' recent excesses and the Red Army's revenge, and in any case the crimes of Oct 7 were of not dissimilar character, albeit a one-off event.
