Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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BBC has been known to use literal hamas members to give "news" so yes, everytime BBC publishes something that puts israel in a bad light, it has 0 credibility. BBC is an actual joke
A BBC documentary about Gaza breached editorial guidelines on accuracy by failing to disclose the narrator was the son of a Hamas official, the corporati
So channel 4 and the BBC are both in cahoots with Hamas who are deliberately starving Palestinians and then calling both news outlets who then rush to Gaza to film them?
That's...a rather novel interpretation I'll give you that.
I wouldn't take that view at all. Hamas bears a heavy responsibility for actions that were bound to end in disaster and Gazans shouldn't have elected such a gang in the first place-- not that they've had another chance to vote since, and that was a pretty predictable outcome as well. Israelis, however, are still responsible for their own actions.
The point is there are very obvious strategic and tactical reasons for Israel's actions. Whatever real discomfort and depravation Israel is facilitating (much less than being reported by the Health Ministry and parroted by western media obviously) it isn't "evil for the sake of evil" as so many of you guys like to portray it.
Hamas today announced they are executing 4 "collaborators" whose crime appears to be getting food from the GHF sites. This is actually a frequent occurrence western leftists and media completely ignore. Western leftists like to ignore this reality because it doesn't fit their preferred narrative; but Hamas itself is waging its own war against the Palestinian people to retain control at all costs.
And Israel is taking actions to exacerbate this internal conflict, for the simple logic the more Palestinians (and more generally Arabs hostile to Israel) are fighting each other the less they will have the capability and focus to attack Israel. Iran actually employs a very similar strategy in promoting dysfunction in the Arab world by supporting Islamist paramilitaries like Hamas.
it isn't "evil for the sake of evil" as so many of you guys like to portray it.
who portrays it that way? you know what I always say?
the young soldiers are doing it for fun bc they were indoctrinated from birth for this very purpose. they were trained to be sadistic murderers and they are feeding their bloodlust without abandon.
and the people in charge are doing it for profit and power. stealing land and resources and enslaving a population is very profitable for all involved.
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do I even need to say it?
Hamas today announced they are executing 4 "collaborators" whose crime appears to be getting food from the GHF sites.
you should at least mention the source. bc without even checking I would bet anything that these people were stealing aid and or selling it at an insane profit.
the point is that its now becoming normalized and accepted to equate genocidal Israel extremist religious Supremacists with the Nazis. as it should be.
This is an extremely low bar. The Middle East is not humanitarian at all. You can be not particularly humanitarian and still the most humanitarian country in the Middle East. Pretty much no countries in the Middle East would allow large scale Palestinian immigration and naturalization, in part because they dont want to mess up their demographics (on top of not wanting to impo
You have a habit of ignoring the points being made, including those by Israeli officials. They keep saying Gazans are not the enemy …Hamas is. So you’re saying that they’re lying about that?
Israel is responsible for Gaza as a controls the resources of Gaza like electricity.,, Israel controls the airspace and maritime trade of Gaza. Jordan, Syria and Lebanon don’t do that. Israel and only Israel invaded Gaza… Gaza is not its own country . Its overlord is Israel.
Also this bizarre idea that one country perhaps because it is Arab majority should accept arab refugees is weird. It will be like looking at any European country and there are many of them and saying well you should just accept Ukrainian refugees because you’re European.
Of course obviously it’s very racist and demonic to suggest that it’s bad to bring in too many Jews or Muslims , blacks etc to a country…. Here it is again you a pro Israel person just randomly lying or insinuating about someone being anti-Semitic while complaining about immigration of black and brown people, talk about hypocrisy.
The Israeli gov can do something interesting by offering refuge to Palestinian kids who lost their parents and family members in Gaza. And offer refuge to elderly people of Gaza. It would make them look good. If not that then foot the whole bill for rebuilding Gaza.
that if they had wanted to, every single palestinian in gaza would have been dead already since like easter 2024. If they want to really starve them all to death they can at any time, just interrupting ALL aid and that's it, gg they all die.Meanwhile if they actually wanted to kill them all by violent means, they would , you know, shoot on sight to everyone, after, you know, bo
interesting some folks make the same arguments about Russia and Ukraine. That the Russian invasion isn’t really that bad after all they could just simply wipe out all of the Ukrainians if they wanted to. But they’re choosing not to because they’re humanitarian or something.
No doubt, but those actions, if committed under ICJ jurisdiction (which of course Israel, like the US, won't accept for obvious painting-target-on-own-back reasons), would be criminal, and are in law considered criminal by the ICJ anyway. There's a reason why Netanyahu's travel options are now very limited, that reason being an international arrest warrant with his name on it.
Hamas today announced they are executing 4 "collaborators" whose crime appears to be getting food from the GHF sites. This is actually a frequent occurrence western leftists and media completely ignore.
Hamas are bloody awful people and they do do that kind of thing, but I'm not actually seeing that particular story anywhere.
The point is there are very obvious strategic and tactical reasons for Israel's actions. Whatever real discomfort and depravation Israel is facilitating (much less than being reported by the Health Ministry and parroted by western media obviously) it isn't "evil for the sake of evil" as so many of you guys like to portray it.
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57 has been quite balanced on Israel actually
Hamas are bloody awful people and they do do that kind of thing, but I'm not actually seeing that particular story anywhere.
how would you handle people who steal aid during a famine and collaborate with the genocidal enemy?
Well if this random Hollywood actor with no expertise or knowledge says so…
Can we get an update on what 4loko is saying on his twitter? Been a while since you’ve reposted anything of his.
Being deficient in expertise and knowledge has never stopped you posting your vacuous thoughts here.
Dun keeps his accusations vague for a reason but this is about the 10th time he has alleged something similar. each time, Hamas claims they are collaborators and thieves. Israel claims they are just good wholesome people trying to get by.
Hope is about all the innocent victims in Gaza have right now.
They certainly don't have Hamas or Israel on their side.
I don't claim to have a solution to this horrible situation.
What realistic solution would you propose at this point?
Fascinating that Victor comments on almost all of my posts, but for some reason he won't answer this question which I've asked twice.
You'd think the biggest expert on this subject would take a stab at answering it.
Of course, neither Victor nor anyone else has any obligation to address questions posed to them, but kinda surprised that Victor is punting on this.
addendum: I apologize if Victor answered the question and I somehow missed it.
Hamas are bloody awful people and they do do that kind of thing, but I'm not actually seeing that particular story anywhere.
Hamas reports executions all the time in Arabic, and Western media ignores it because it is not ideologically convenient. Threatening, enacting and then reporting executions are an important component of how they project control locally. And the western media completely covers for them.
You understand if BBC and Channel 4 regularly reported translations of Hamas own Arabic language statements and videos, there would be much, much, much less support for them. Hamas themselves are playing to a local audience with a very different moral code. Strength and cruelty are celebrated, and empathy and mercy are ridiculed as weakness. Of course, a very different message is required for Western audiences, but luckily they have the Western media as willing collaborators for this.
Fascinating that Victor comments on almost all of my posts, but for some reason he won't answer this question which I've asked twice.You'd think the biggest expert on this subject would take a stab at answering it.Of course, neither Victor nor anyone else has any obligation to address questions posed to them, but kinda surprised that Victor is punting on this.addendum: I apol
I typically dont answer bad faith gotcha questions, esp when their intention is to justify genocide. what reasonable solutions did the Algerians, Vietnamese, Haitians, Irish, Cubans, Filipinos, Indians, European Jews, Australian Aborigines, Native Americans, African slaves have?
I typically dont answer bad faith gotcha questions, esp when their intention is to justify genocide. what reasonable solutions did the Algerians, Vietnamese, Cubans, Filipinos, Indians, European Jews, Australian Aborigines, Native Americans, African slaves have?
Thank you for addressing my question.
It certainly isn't a 'bad faith gotcha question.' I even admitted myself (as you know) that I myself can't think of any realistic solution.
If you think my intention is to "justify genocide", which I have unambiguously denounced many times in this thread, then you're either posting in bad faith yourself or you're really, really, really stoopid.
Anyway, I'm done with this horrorshow of a thread for a spell.
Make it a great day!
Hamas reports executions all the time in Arabic, and Western media ignores it because it is not ideologically convenient. Threatening, enacting and then reporting executions are an important component of how they project control locally. And the western media completely covers for them.
pretty incredible twitter account with 5 followers
I liked this one the best
also, it should be noted that your citation mentions nothing about accepting aid from GHF
pretty incredible twitter account with 5 followersI liked this one the best also, it should be noted that your citation mentions nothing about accepting aid from GHF
That is supposedly Hamas telegram account. I am surprised it isn’t something that hasn’t popped up in your timeline, just portrayed as a positive.
That is supposedly Hamas telegram account. I am surprised it isn’t something that hasn’t popped up in your timeline, just portrayed as a positive.
Hamas telegram is blocked in the USA. which is kinda funny bc you keep saying that BBC and mainstream Western press are following their releases.
anyway, I wasnt really questioning the veracity of the Telegram post. I was just pointing out that it in fact said nothing about the accused merely receiving aid from GHF.
btw corpus yes, BBC is full of antisemitism
just to clarify it's incredible to even entertain the idea of ever publishing anything as news just because someone in Hamas said that.
doing that just once permanently disqualifies you as a source unless you fire with shame the people who did that and then pledge to never do it again.
imagine a media outlet publishing Al Qaeda claims about anything as news. it's truly ******ed that you guys don't see that.
