Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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If you are in Gaza right now and you aren't IDF, you are in the top 0.01% of worldwide leftists. No one sane of mind with no radical masochistical leftists ideal would put foot in that horror show for **** sake.Being there already makes you a friend of Hamas, if you aren't, they kill you. So that makes everything you say, forever, of 0 informational value.Your link triggers all
So from this mess of a post we are to deduce whether or not you think Haaretz's 12 doctors and multiple photos were faked.
So from this mess of a post we are to deduce whether or not you think Haaretz's 12 doctors and multiple photos were faked.
I didn't see the photo i can't open the link.
I don't know nor care who the doctors are or claim to be. I don't see how anyone who isn't pro hamas would even entertain the idea of going into gaza to begin with (unless it is to kill hamas people) right now. So i can discard the opinion of everyone who goes into gaza today as partisan yes. You need to be psychotic to even think about the possibility of going in gaza today if it isn't to kill hamas.
What i know is that when cousin marriage is the norm, a ton of children will be in disastrous health, and after like what, 40 cases of children with horrenous genetic diseases used to claim it was malnutrition, there is literally nothing that can convince me of actual malnutrition i am sorry
If it’s a settler colonialist movement and any resistance is justified, then by definition one of the possible remediations has to be that Palestinians can assert their sovereignty by deporting them. Settler babies, remember? No one is innocent.
Or are you against Palestinians exercising their full and lawful sovereignty that far leftists assert oppressed people have?
pretty sure there isnt a consensus on what to do with the genocidal squatters but I doubt they would be willing to live in a land with equal rights for the untermensch so I think they problem would take care of itself.
pretty sure there isnt a consensus on what to do with the genocidal squatters but I doubt they would be willing to live in a land with equal rights for the untermensch so I think they problem would take care of itself.
So what is the own exactly? You accept that all settlers, including settlers babies, can be violently ejected from the river to the sea to wherever the oppressed people think is fitting. Since they have legitimate claim to the land whatsoever, then any treatment to remove them is justified, right?
Because we don't believe any leftist source claim about anything related to this topic and many others. At all. Like we do not believe them.
Also, if we were to believe them, there would be no hospital left in Gaza (IDF destroyed them all, according to your sourceS) so the whole story doesn't check out in pallywood land either.
Would you regard the Uk's Channel4 news and the BBC as Pallywood? They've been doing major pieces on it and the populace shown, look like they're suffering from severe malnutrition. Yes Channel 4 tends to be more liberal but the footage speaks for itself. Are you saying all these people are suddenly suffering from genetic diseases due to marrying their cousins, as you opined in another post? Again that footage speaks for itself. Why aren't Israel allowing more food and aid in? This is starting to look like Holodomor.
Would you regard the Uk's Channel4 news and the BBC as Pallywood? They've been doing major pieces on it and the populace shown, look like they're suffering from severe malnutrition. Yes Channel 4 tends to be more liberal but the footage speaks for itself. Are you saying all these people are suddenly suffering from genetic diseases due to marrying their cousins, as you opined in
Hamas surrenders, then everyone gets food and no more children die of malnutrition.
Tragic that Hamas cares exactly as little about starving folks as the IDF.
Japan surrendered when the U.S. threatened to nuke Toyko.
Hamas would have said, "No problem....nuke us!"
you are pretty ignorant of what happens when Palestinians surrender to Israel. they get slaughtered at an even faster rate.
anyway, this is typical victim inversion that is standard for genocide supporters.
you are pretty ignorant of what happens when Palestinians surrender to Israel. they get slaughtered at an even faster rate.
anyway, this is typical victim inversion that is standard for genocide supporters.
Except, as you know full well, I am not a genocide supporter. As you KNOW, I have criticized the genocide taking place in Gaza many times in this thread.
Your dishonesty is a thing to behold.
Or, to be fair, maybe you're just really, really, really DUMB. In which case I apologize for impugning your character.
Would you regard the Uk's Channel4 news and the BBC as Pallywood? They've been doing major pieces on it and the populace shown, look like they're suffering from severe malnutrition. Yes Channel 4 tends to be more liberal but the footage speaks for itself. Are you saying all these people are suddenly suffering from genetic diseases due to marrying their cousins, as you opined in
BBC has been known to use literal hamas members to give "news" so yes, everytime BBC publishes something that puts israel in a bad light, it has 0 credibility.
BBC is an actual joke
A BBC documentary about Gaza breached editorial guidelines on accuracy by failing to disclose the narrator was the son of a Hamas official, the corporation's review has found.
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Channel 4 is a source i know 0 about tbh.
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To be clear it's not absurd that some palestinian suffer of malnutrition. Because Hamas controls who can eat and they can always starve some people for photo ops on purpose when they want to.
So i am not saying "it's impossible that there is malnutrition in gaza". I am saying "it's impossible israel is responsible for any malnutrition in gaza".
As for the use of genetical deformations for pro-hamas photo op
Keep this in mind: Hamas, and people supporting it, are among the worst human beings that ever existed. They have absolutely no moral limits. They will torture and starve their own kids if they think it helps their PR campaign. Hell they routinely kill them and then claim the IDF did! usually it's people they wanted to punish for other reasons, but the end game is they do cause everything bad that happens in gaza, and then pallywood spins it into "another sin of the jews".
So no matter how many dead bodies, tortured bodies or anything else you show me, that's only going to increase the amount of horrors HAMAS COMMITTED for me.
That's why we have been asking for long form ,unedited videos that clearly show the IDF doing "bad stuff" in uncontroversial ways. From the beginning to the end. Like we get routinely from places where militaries actually do bad things.
In 2 years, with more "journalists" there than in any other place on earth by a large margin as a % of the population, they were never able to produce a single unedited long form video showing from beginning to end, the IDF doing something i could find erroneous or improper.
so if Palestinians ejected Jews because they were former Israelis, you would not be ok with this?
its not my call, its the Palestinians.
Id cry for them about as much I cry for the German settlers that got booted out of Eastern Europe. as Michael Parenti said, why should I care about the rights of the fascists?
BBC has been known to use literal hamas members to give "news" so yes, everytime BBC publishes something that puts israel in a bad light, it has 0 credibility. BBC is an actual joke
A BBC documentary about Gaza breached editorial guidelines on accuracy by failing to disclose the narrator was the son of a Hamas official, the corporatiSo then the BBC/Channel 4 are part of "Pallywood"? I take it they got special FX makeup artists to make all those people look malnourished? Who did they hire? Tom Savini, Rick Baker, people like that?
So then the BBC/Channel 4 are part of "Pallywood"? I take it they got special FX makeup artists to make all those people look malnourished? Who did they hire? Tom Savini, Rick Baker, people like that?
no the BBC is a retarted institution that can be easily captured by hamas. So the BBC can play for pallywood at times while not being part of it. again i have 0 knowledge of channel 4
Again, hamas can starve some people on purpose and then have them photographed. That doesn't make Israel responsible for it anyway.
You can't have some people malnourished and others being fatty around them and then claim the territory lacks food do you understand that? if you don't have anyone starving, then it's because those who control who gets the food decides who starves.
So it's either people enter and they *only meet starving people*, like it actually happened in nazi concentration camps, or it's necesarily hamas who is starving them!
So then the BBC/Channel 4 are part of "Pallywood"? I take it they got special FX makeup artists to make all those people look malnourished? Who did they hire? Tom Savini, Rick Baker, people like that?
EVERYONE I DONT LIKE IS HAMAS
There are no good guys in this situation.
Hamas and IDF in their current iterations are corrupt and evil.
The citizens of Hamas are innocent victims of both Hamas and the IDF.
Hopefully if Hamas surrendered, an international peace keeping force could facilitate the feeding and housing of the victims and hopefully start to rebuild.
The good guys are the Palestinian civilians and the small number of Israelis who aren’t genocidal.
There are no good guys in this situation.
Hamas and IDF in their current iterations are corrupt and evil.
The citizens of Hamas are innocent victims of both Hamas and the IDF.
Hopefully if Hamas surrendered, an international peace keeping force could facilitate the feeding and housing of the victims and hopefully start to rebuild.
right hopefully I just bought an actual bridge. hopes and prayers dont stop genocide and free oppressed people. you know this, and thats why it obv that you prefer them oppressed.
also, its funny how often you guys say some dumbass stuff only to get contradicted by reality immediately..
right hopefully I just bought an actual bridge. hopes and prayers dont stop genocide and free oppressed people. you know this, and thats why it obv that you prefer them oppressed.also, its funny how often you guys say some dumbass stuff only to get contradicted by reality immediately..
Hope is about all the innocent victims in Gaza have right now.
They certainly don't have Hamas or Israel on their side.
I don't claim to have a solution to this horrible situation.
What realistic solution would you propose at this point?
this too lol
maybe you should admit your ignorance and reassess your beliefs. beliefs that, if not support of genocide as you claim, are actually based on racism, propaganda, and lack of critical thinking.
no the BBC is a retarted institution that can be easily captured by hamas. So the BBC can play for pallywood at times while not being part of it. again i have 0 knowledge of channel 4Again, hamas can starve some people on purpose and then have them photographed. That doesn't make Israel responsible for it anyway.You can't have some people malnourished and others being fatty aro
For reasons that make sense to the Israeli cabinet, they want the Gazan population enfeebled. They've had a longstanding policy of calorie restriction against Gaza and they're just enforcing it in a more extreme way because there's a war on. Hamas may be in a position to manipulate the news output to some extent, but I don't think many observers believe there is no starvation.
lots of other interesting statements in that article btw
this one is on topic
they are slaughtering 100s of thousands per year. if the war goes on for decades then there will be no one left alive in Gaza and the West Bank. then in the parts of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt that the genocidal extremist Jewish Supremacists covet. this is yet another indication of their plans to take over the entire region and slaughter the indigenous populations.
