Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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170 might be pushing it but I think you could train at least 30% of adults to score 130 if they were motivated.
When someone refuses to be arrested law enforcement put handcuffs on them and take them into custody, which is a form of violence, so we agree.
What acts of violence do you think should be done to people in a dinghy in the sea if they refuse to be towed?
If you refuse violently to get handcuffed and put in custody they can end up needing to shoot you , and it actually happens.
If they refuse to be towed, it means they are using violence to refuse to be handcuffed on their own dinghy right? otherwise they are all handcuffed while being towed, how else can they refuse?
You board, handcuff them, and tow them. They never enter your country.
If they get violent, attempt to physically block you from towing and putting them in a condition to not be able to do anything while you tow, then they deserve to be shot same as someone who gets violent if you try to put him in a police car.
Or i mean, if they are unarmed they can be tased first sure.
You never need to shoot an unarmed person who is being violent either, because there are usually plenty of police restraining him.
There was and still is a path to recognition of a Palestinian nationalty in Gaza. It goes through a regime that does not call for the destruction of Israel and the murder of Jews.Has Israel missed opportunities in the past (including insisting on handing over Gaza to Egypt)? Of course.Have the Palestinians missed similar opportunities? Of course.Now there is no political entity
I agree that Hamas is a problem. But it’s important to question how it got popular..Why is Ron Paul saying Israel funded and started Hamas.?
Israel is a unique country. It’s somewhat but not very similar to the “west”. But it still does things that western countries don’t do yet they claim to be a humanitarian country. So why then are Palestinians living around the world not allowed to return to the West Bank. There is no Hamas there. And again the direct opposite where any Jew anywhere in the world can immigrate to Israel. So this immigration policy is massively different from that of the USA. Again this is Israel’s right they are their own country. They make the rules, but they cannot complain when people around the world criticize them. The war in Gaza has taken things to new levels. It’s like something we have never seen in the modern era again according to Jewish human rights troops in Israel. We saw the numbers we saw the average lifespan in Gaza plummet ….Yet supporters of Netanyahu will complain that Israel is being singled out, which is nonsense.
This whole thread is flooded with Netanyahu supporters complaining about criticism of Israel….often they lie about antisemitism. To be fair some supporters of the war in Gaza have made it open that they are basically fascists and religious supremacists. Then you have these oddballs who are trying to make it out as if Israel is a center of democracy and humanitarianism, which it is not it’s very authoritarian at least in 2025 …As They’ve even suppressed their own news sources in Israel.
So why then are Palestinians living around the world not allowed to return to the West Bank. There is no Hamas there. And again the direct opposite where any Jew anywhere in the world can immigrate to Israel. So this immigration policy is massively different from that of the USA. Again this is Israel’s right they are their own country.
how is that Israel's right? why should they control what you call immigration over a land that is not theirs?
I agree that Hamas is a problem.
do you think Israel has the right to forcibly remove the population of Gaza? currently they are trying to implement the planned and announced purge of an estimated 1 million residents from the city in the North. do you agree Israel should be allowed to do that? do you think those residents should be forced from their homes and neighborhoods leaving with onl what they can carry?
I will prove it’s not an antisemitic theory by showing a video of Tucker Carlson’s show. You’re a class act jal.
Jeffrey Sachs is Jewish.
that you actually believe Carlson is anti-Semitic when it is proven he is not and that you still repeat the claim. There is dictionary definitions for this stuff. You have to prove it show Carlson saying Jews are subhuman, that he wouldn’t want to work with Jews. Of course you can’t show this as numerous people Tucker collaborate with and respects are Jewish like Dave Smith, Glenn Greenwald, and Jeffrey Sachs.
And criticizing Winston Churchill is not antisemitic. Saying that the USA did bad stuff in World War II is not antisemitic.
It’s fascinating as some of the people on the Israel side even featured in the mainstream media like Ben Shapiro have openly said most Muslims are extremist.
Carlson has never said most Jews are extremists. He actually respects Judaism. The bar you and others set for antisemitism is something that doesn’t make any sense. So you’re wrong on this one of course it’s sad to see that you’re gonna continue to go down this road of making false claims of antisemitism.
I haven’t seen one person in this thread Mock Judaism. But there’s numerous posters mocking Islam like combining the word Allah with something very negative on a daily basis.
Of course not to mention the elephant in the room, Palestinians are Semitic .
how is that Israel's right? why should they control what you call immigration over a land that is not theirs?do you think Israel has the right to forcibly remove the population of Gaza? currently they are trying to implement the planned and announced purge of an estimated 1 million residents from the city in the North. do you agree Israel should be allowed to do that? do yo
The bottom line is a sovereign country will do what it wants, and the world will react to it. That is the point it is true throughout all of history. When certain countries have taken military actions like Iraq in Kuwait that caused an international coalition to fight Iraq. Israel gets away with what it does because of the influence they have on American politicians. That’s it. When Russia invaded Ukraine, the international world did something about it because of the influence factors.
Now obviously Israel has the backing of US politicians, which is currently against the will of most Americans. Overwhelmingly Americans and most Jews opposed to war in Gaza. There’s only a few brave politicians like Marjorie Green and Thomas Massey… And a few Democrats who have openly opposed funding Israel
most Jews opposed to war in Gaza.
from the polls that I have seen, they overwhelmingly support the genocide.
and you didnt answer my question on if you support cleansing Gaza of the Palestinians as Israel and the USA have publicly pledged to do.
There is dictionary definitions for this stuff. You have to prove it show Carlson saying Jews are subhuman, that he wouldn’t want to work with Jews.
Oh there’s a dictionary definition that says “antisemitism is when Jews are subhuman and you don’t want to work with Jews”?
When you host holocaust revisionists and lie about them being one of the most respected historians when they aren’t even a historian let alone a respected one, you automatically forfeit your right to protest against being called an antisemite until you admit you were wrong to do that.
Does that mean I want Tucker taken off the air? No. I only say this because I know where you’re going to go next.
We already went over the Churchill thing, but he literally said and I provided timestamps that Churchill was the cause of WW2 and the holocaust only happened because of supply line issues and throwing people in gas chambers was considered an act of mercy. Stop lying about the guy not being a holocaust revisionist and Tucker not having one on his show.
By the way, there were Jews that collaborated with the Nazis so just hosting a Jew doesn’t exonerate Tucker from anything, and if Jeff Sachs has a point you shouldn’t promote Tucker’s show in order to quote him. I didn’t even listen to it for a second because I don’t want to ever support any piece of media that features that guy.
Oh there’s a dictionary definition that says “antisemitism is when Jews are subhuman and you don’t want to work with Jews”?When you host holocaust revisionists and lie about them being one of the most respected historians when they aren’t even a historian let alone a respected one, you automatically forfeit your right to protest against being calle
You’re making a mountain out of a mole hill when it comes to the guests Carlson has had on his show. There is no holocaust revisionism. Not from Cooper. He has openly said that the holocaust occurred.
Cooper is highly respected he has one of the most popular podcast around. If you don’t like him, that’s simply your opinion. You don’t speak for everybody.
But this is nuts man I mean there’s plenty of times when a journalist will host controversial people.
Yes, there is certainly definitions for antisemitism. And you gotta do way better. I want to see swastikas. I want to see a poster of Adolf Hitler by Tucker Carlson. Because what you’re doing it’s just cancel culture. And that is why the left-wing got swept in the 2024 US election. Nobody buys it anymore. Nobody cares about false accusations of bigotry.
The bar for anti-Jewish has not only lowered. It’s hit the floor when it comes to people who support Israel. It is embarrassing. It’s disgraceful. You wanna show somebody who is anti-Jewish you better start showing white supremacist like people who only associate with whites, people who admire Hitler. Anybody who associates with Jews, who respect Jews can never be called anti-Semitic it makes no sense. But again it’s 2025 and we still have the remnant of the radical left-wing with their cancel culture and attempting to change definitions of racism…. We also have the woke right wing, who are using left-wing tactics by calling people anti-Jewish with no evidence simply for criticizing Israeli policy….. or what you have is if there is somebody who is very popular like Tucker Carlson with tens of millions of followers …Black people , white people Muslims , Christians , Jews, people all over the world respect Tucker Carlson so in turn the Hasbara will try and pick apart interviews Carlson has done and engage in gotcha moments. It’s pathetic. Nobody buys it. It’s a bad tactic .
from the polls that I have seen, they overwhelmingly support the genocide.
and you didnt answer my question on if you support cleansing Gaza of the Palestinians as Israel and the USA have publicly pledged to do.
Many of the pro Palestinian protests are led by Jews. We have also seen polls showing the majority of American people now have an unfavorable view of Israel. I don’t know how those numbers are broken down by ethnicity but again there are so many prominent Jews and regular everyday Jews protesting against Israeli policy.
As is much of the world. With exception to Nigeria perhaps which is interesting as being one of the only countries that has a mostly positive view of Israel currently.
I’ve answered the question many times actually and there’s no need for you to be asking this. Do you know how many times I’ve said Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza??? I’ve repeated it plenty . So there’s no need for you to ask the question.
I am simply reminding you that history shows that countries have engaged in war and invasions. OK, that is what Israel is doing in Gaza. They believe it is their right and the entire world will react to it with agreement or disagreement.
I’ve answered the question many times actually and there’s no need for you to be asking this. Do you know how many times I’ve said Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza??? I’ve repeated it plenty . So there’s no need for you to ask the question.
well I didnt ask about the genocide. I asked if you thought it was ok if Israel forcibly removed all the people from Gaza. so its just kind of weird to disagree with that but also rip on Hamas. if Hamas didnt exist, then there would be no Palestinians left in the strip. the only reason the genocidal IDF is not able to go house to house and round every person to execute or ship to Somalia or wherever is bc Hamas is able to shoot them.
Apparently the Greta crusade flottilla, while sailing against her new enemy (zionism) got stopped by an old enemy: "climate change". A little rough rain forced them to go back lol.
Note that according to people who understand boats/ships (i don't) many of the vessels used by the Gretins are for internal waters navigation so they aren't built to cross the mediterranean sea
Today every fascists favourite army the IDF killed another five young kids collecting water.
after telling them to go there and collect food and water. the blood of all children on the planet will not satisfy these murderers.
Today every fascists favourite army the IDF killed another five young kids collecting water.
As usual the attack occurred in precisely the location that the IDF told people to evacuate to.
“We wish to remind you that in al-Mawasi, enhanced services will be provided with an emphasis on access to medical care, water and food,” the Israeli military’s Arabic-language spokesperson Avichay Adraee said in a post on X on Tuesday afternoon.
As usual the attack occurred in precisely the location that the IDF told people to evacuate to.
From the Guardian article:
"At least nine people, including five children, have been killed in an Israeli strike while fetching water in al-Mawasi, an area of southern Gaza which Israel has designated as a safe zone, health officials said."
You left out the most important part, which makes the most likely scenario the report is either complete bullshit or Hamas is responsible for whatever happened; either through negligence from a booby trap or intentional.
Health official = Hamas propaganda. And absence any strong evidence to the contrary most likely completely fictitious.
From the Guardian article:"At least nine people, including five children, have been killed in an Israeli strike while fetching water in al-Mawasi, an area of southern Gaza which Israel has designated as a safe zone, health officials said."You left out the most important part, which makes the most likely scenario the report is either complete bullshit or Hamas is responsible for
Has this been discussed here before?
Well it was never about the hostages. It’s about the plan of greater Israel…Hamas which has been funded by Israel according to Ron Paul.. and Oct 7 which a lot of people believe October 7 was allowed to happen is simply used as a justification for the continued slaughter in Gaza which is basically allowing for Israeli expansion.
For the small percentage of Americans who are still standing by Netanyahu… Remember how they always bring up “Hamas , Hamas , Hamas”….saying things like “Hamas needs to go and then there is peace”. …well Israel recently turned down a peace deal that involves a Hamas free Gaza.
“Israel Rejects Its Own Peace Deal, Genocide Declared Officially”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NNNt82SvWp...
Record numbers of Republicans and most Americans oppose Netanyahu…
well I didnt ask about the genocide. I asked if you thought it was ok if Israel forcibly removed all the people from Gaza. so its just kind of weird to disagree with that but also rip on Hamas. if Hamas didnt exist, then there would be no Palestinians left in the strip. the only reason the genocidal IDF is not able to go house to house and round every person to execute or s
Hamas is incapable of defending Gaza. Let alone attacking Israel. Where are the tanks on the ground in Tel Aviv? Where are the airstrikes in Jerusalem. It is a serious thing that October 7 needs to be investigated for a false flag. And the funding of Hamas through backchannels by Israeli officials is a serious allegation.
Hamas is the sort of perfect organization that Israel can point at and say “hey look there’s another Al Keada group so everyone oppose them in the west”. This is quite different from the resistance of Palestinians in the 20th century, which was inclusive of Palestinian Christians leading the charge and was quite secular. You need to look into these things.
Anyway Hamas is no longer capable of threatening Israel as even Israeli sources acknowledge. They were never capable of taking over Israel. That is a given, and anyone who says otherwise is woefully misinformed or intentionally lying.
Question for all the "experts" on Israeli affairs (Jal, Vic and stupid copmany) - Let's talk for a moment about ethnic cleansing in Israel... of Christians.
The city of Nazareth, do you know it?
Yesterday I had dinner there with friends and clients (Christian Arabs). They no longer live there. As does most of the Arab-Christian community. They left for "Jewish cities."
Why? How did the second or third holiest place for Christians become a Muslim city? Why did the Christian Arabs flee from there?
And what happened to the crime rates in the city after the great escape?
Ten points for those who solve correctly.
Your friends being so bigoted that they don’t want to have Muslim neighbours isnt going to surprise anyone.
Birds of a feather.
