Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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as for the bold, India. Hindus really hate Muslims and want them crashed worldwide.but anyway your example would be USA going *against* Israel. refusing to sell weapons is literally an embargo for those goods, that's being actively against that country. Especially if you sell to KSA and the like no?while Israel doesn't need them GIFTED that's the idea.while Palestinians would b
The Hindu nationalist, Modi, took a major step in the anti-West direction this week by laughing it up with Xi and Putin, so I don't think the Hindus will be jumping on the pro-Israel/pro-West bandwagon anytime soon.
Slightly off topic, but Trump is making a major mistake by trying to exert influence by punishing allies. The US established itself internationally by offering incentives to other countries to enter its sphere of influence, and it's surprising that at a time when we are entering a world of multipolarity, they are going with a method based on negative reinforcement.
This is Trump boomer thinking, wanting one last gasp of American greatness (we can force them to do this!) before entering the grave.
The Hindu nationalist, Modi, took a major step in the anti-West direction this week by laughing it up with Xi and Putin, so I don't think the Hindus will be jumping on the pro-Israel/pro-West bandwagon anytime soon. Slightly off topic, but Trump is making a major mistake by trying to exert influence by punishing allies. The US established itself internationally by offering ince
But being pro-Israel is less and less a western thing as you yourself are claiming.
You know what Putin did when it had a domestic islamic problem? Ever heard of Chechnya? you know what Xi did when it had a domestic islamic problem? ever heard of the Uighur?
If Russia China and India have something in common, it's a deep seated millenarian hatred of islam especially when they have it too close to home, and they all share a willingness to massacre and actually genocide islamic populations when they are bothered too much by them.
Why would they not help Israel against muslims? for a price of course, including Israel becoming THEIR outpost in their area, instead of ours.
They do because the west didn't use even 1/1000th of it's power against them, do you realize that?
There's a price to pay for massively disproportionate responses, you do realize that?
I don't think nuking the Houthis will encourage ships to go through the Red Sea into Eilat. It might make it so Israelis can never travel again (at least on their own passport), though.
But being pro-Israel is less and less a western thing as you yourself are claiming.You know what Putin did when it had a domestic islamic problem? Ever heard of Chechnya? you know what Xi did when it had a domestic islamic problem? ever heard of the Uighur?If Russia China and India have something in common, it's a deep seated millenarian hatred of islam especially when they hav
Chechnya and the Uygurs are much more of an imperialist thing than an anti-Muslim thing. Based on that recent outburst from Blue, it seems to be the pro-Israel red herring du jour to try to frame everything as the latter.
I can assure you that Putin and Xi are much more concerned about making the West look bad/weak than oppressing Muslims.
In other news Israel has announced if/when the publicity stunt flotilla ever makes it to waters Israel controls, Israels' intention is to seize the vessels and convert them for use as coastal police vessels. So I guess they worked out a way to repay themselves for all the resources it will consume to deal with the publicity stunt.
very on brand
There's a price to pay for massively disproportionate responses, you do realize that?
I don't think nuking the Houthis will encourage ships to go through the Red Sea into Eilat. It might make it so Israelis can never travel again (at least on their own passport), though.
I don't actually
After China was the victim of some terrorist attacks by islamic terrorists in Xinjiang (that all combined were far less severe than 7 10 alone to be clear, for a chinese population that is more than 100x the Israeli one) , it acted in a MASSIVELY DISPROPORTIONATE RESPONSE WAY.
It mass arrested up to 1 million people, sterilized hundreds of thousands of them, gave Han "husbands" to tens of thousands of wives of arrested people (regular rapes ongoing) , killed unknown numbers and canceled every trace they ever existed, canceled most of the historical elements of islamic society in the region, enacted mass surveilance, banned the local language and religious practices (and/or severely restricted them) and forced "cultural change" in "re-education camps".
And the price they paid was nothing. Zero. Nada.
The only reason we don't do what we need to do is the presence of domestic enemies of our own countries among us. Of people who literally cheer for our enemies.
Chechnya and the Uygurs are much more of an imperialist thing than an anti-Muslim thing. Based on that recent outburst from Blue, it seems to be the pro-Israel red herring du jour to try to frame everything as the latter.
I can assure you that Putin and Xi are much more concerned about making the West look bad/weak than oppressing Muslims.
They aren't the land was theirs already.
From long before 1939 and long before the "Palestinian" ethnic identity was even invented; the Arabs of this region made it very clear there would be no place for Jews once they kicked out the British and Americans. And this position hasn't really changed in the last 150 years.
The Americans have never had a presence in Palestine. And the 'Israeli' ethnic identity was invented in 1948, almost entirely for the benefit of aggressive foreign settlers who weren't from anywhere round there. The historic Jewish minority in Palestine was doing OK until the Zionists began shipping in from Europe in the 1890s and 1900s, with a racist ideology that absolutely required the dispossession and expulsion of the native Arabs.
the guy completely lost it. Unlike many other pro Israel or pro Palestine posters he was acting extraordinarily immature. He would spam the same message over and over again.
It was quite interesting and quite strange. From a previous fairly contained posting style to metaphorically standing on a car roof, tearing off his clothes and bellowing extreme racist nonsense in at most two moves.
First, there's clearly cognitive dissonance in play, since Blue's home ethnostate, the 'only democracy in the Middle East' with the 'most moral army in the world', has discredited itself so badly that even Donald Trump says it's lost the public-relations battle, undermining the pretence of moral authority on which Israel has always relied and potentially compromising the American blank cheque which Israel has been drawing on since 1968. And Blue started rambling on about the threat of Teh Mooslims in the UK, a country he clearly knows nothing about. (He doesn't even know what we mean by 'Asians'.)
Then something else happened. Blue, in a vain bit of DARVO, was attempting to claim that the gradual move of Christian Arabs out of Nazareth (presumably caused by the polarising effect of Israel's overtly racist policy, and in particular its effect on Muslim Arabs), was somehow a case of 'ethnic cleansing'. He did not trouble to explain why the Israeli state, with all its power, would permit and enable this. But Trolly compared the phenomenon to 'white flight' in the American suburbs -- white people moving out as black people move in -- and Blue went into total meltdown, for the obvious reason that Trolly had implicitly, in Blue's view, compared mere inferior Christian Arabs to white people, a deadly insult to Blue's racial amour-propre which resulted in Blue exploding and burning out like some defectively programmed megacomputer in a sci-fi story, forever repeating 'White Arabs... White Arabs', the thing his ethno-supremacist logic-circuits simply could not compute.
The West Bank is mostly empty land. The Palestinians ethnically cleanse Jews because they are religious extremist genocidal racists filled with hatred, not because of overpopulation. Now you can argue this viewpoint is justified by their circumstance, but regardless this is the truth of their motivations. And the land in Israel and Palestinian territories sucks and is hard t
Palestine thrived under ottoman ,Crusader and Roman rule.
The West Bank is mostly empty land. The Palestinians ethnically cleanse Jews because they are religious extremist genocidal racists filled with hatred, not because of overpopulation. Now you can argue this viewpoint is justified by their circumstance, but regardless this is the truth of their motivations. And the land in Israel and Palestinian territories sucks and is hard t
China and India are not supporting Russia militarily as the USA and the European Union are wrt Ukraine. Not even close. And obviously Russia is deeply despised by the overwhelming majority of American politicians and the western media ..unlike Israel.
How do you come to these nonsense conclusions. Considering the brutal sanctions on Russian people. Again, Russian people not just their leaders or “oligarchs”. Tell us about Israeli citizens who are not allowed to travel to America, tell us about Israeli citizens who cannot use their bank cards in foreign countries… which is what Russian citizens have to deal with when traveling abroad..
From long before 1939 and long before the "Palestinian" ethnic identity was even invented; the Arabs of this region made it very clear there would be no place for Jews once they kicked out the British and Americans. And this position hasn't really changed in the last 150 years. Which is why Israel has 20% Arabs who live peacefully with full legal rights; and Jews are expressl
It’s long been the view of Jewish supremacists that they need their own living space. Because “outsiders” can’t be trusted….ah living space reminds us the guy with the small mustache.
Jews thrived in many countries in the world before 1948.
You keep bringing up immigrantion…..Israel won’t allow any Palestinians living outside Israel to immigrate to Israel or Palestine…prob worse compared to PA policy. Yet again Israel will accept Jewish immigrants from anywhere in the world.
The Americans have never had a presence in Palestine. And the 'Israeli' ethnic identity was invented in 1948, almost entirely for the benefit of aggressive foreign settlers who weren't from anywhere round there. The historic Jewish minority in Palestine was doing OK until the Zionists began shipping in from Europe in the 1890s and 1900s, with a racist ideology that absolutely r
Is Israeli supposed to be an ethnic identity? I never heard of it that way. It’s a rather odd thing for them to say “Israeli Arabs” if that was what they were thinking of.
And almost certainly there is no coherent “Palestinian” identity that doesn’t exist merely as a response to the state of Israel.
And almost certainly there is no coherent “Palestinian” identity that doesn’t exist merely as a response to the state of Israel.
That's just batty. Palestinian nationalism arose at the same time as Zionism. The Palestinian flag dates to 1916. It flew in response to Ottoman and British colonialism well before Israel existed.
its a pretty funny argument. so hes saying that Palestine is only as old as Israel? like, what does that say for Israel. sometimes I think they know the absurdity of their words but in this case its pretty clear he didnt think it through.
It's originally the flag of the Arab Revolt against the Ottomans, which was supported by the British. It's since been adapted into a number of Arab national flags.
The version from the 1936 Arab revolt even had a cross accompanying the crescent moon of Islam.
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If you're realizing that "International Association of Genocide Scholars" is a questionable source, wait until you hear about "Gaza health officials"
The West Bank is mostly empty land. The Palestinians ethnically cleanse Jews because they are religious extremist genocidal racists filled with hatred, not because of overpopulation. Now you can argue this viewpoint is justified by their circumstance, but regardless this is the truth of their motivations. And the land in Israel and Palestinian territories sucks and is hard t
Irrelevant.
Religious or “real estate entrepreneur “ Motives aren’t creating borders .
Israel far exceeded its territory that was originally design .
Why are t they going in front of the UN and make their case ?
World isn’t ok with Putin lol .
Wtf u talking about .
Ps: Canada isn’t doing much with its arctic territory, maybe Putin got a right to take it ….
Osborne is a serious right wing journalist unable to toe the party line when he feels strongly about something.
