RFK - Make America Healthy? again?

So should we do that with smokers , obese, and alcoholics ?

That was the point I was making .
Many get healthcare even if they have bad behavior.
Targeting certain people by Luciom standard would be a non ending story .

But going that route , I would have some preferences too .

i feel im in a bad 1980s movies with people (villain) in offices being so bad(corrupt, idiot,w.e), u cant really take the plot seriously and then 45 years later here we are, it actually was true....

you shouldn't target anyone, the market should.

the public shouldn't insure anyone and insurance companies should be allowed to price for any risk factor.

but in general che concept itself of "insurance" should only apply to rare events not to chronic diseases and the like. it's absurd to insure healthcare as it would be to "insure" groceries.

Its just so theatrical. Whats the urgency? They are sitting around all day and its supposed to be a hearing yet they have strict time limits where nobody can make a cogent point and they talk over each other and its all in service of creating a viral clip of dunking on someone then nothing happens either way

I have to revisit my priors. I thought the backlash against vaccine mandates (normal vaccines, in schools) was basically entirely caused by the disasters of covid management, while it looks like, at least in the USA, support for mandates was already dropping hard BEFORE covid

Normally I don't care when people do stupid things that will kill themselves. Like Drug, alcohol, cigarette addictions. But allowing parents to make decisions that can kill and cripple their children (and other idiot's children) is not OK with me.

So this is why for me vaccines must remain mandatory for children. Not only for children to be allowed into schools. But even if the parents want to homeschool them.

There basically have been no studies that show vaccines are dangerous for those that take them. But my guess is that with AI this will change. The people who have made up studies to date have not been really good at it. At the start of Covid the fake study that showed that masks were meaningless in terms of reducing the spread of Covid was so badly done that the data for each of the 9 people in the study were copied 10 times and then fake names were created. The fake study was removed from where it had been published as a result of this. But moving forward I'm guessing we will start to see fake studies produced by AI that will not be easy to accurately assess.

In a rational world there would be completly different assessments and treatments of mandates for legally capacious adults vs mandates for minors (or adults under tutelage).

It's one thing to impose a paternalistic approach that substitutes parental (or tutorial) decisionmaking with the state decision, for the good of the specific individual subjected to a treatment.

And a completly different thing to mandare a treatment to someone *to help other people* statistically.

But it's impossible to have proper consversations in society at large these days so if in order to abolish the (for me) morally horrific concept that a medical procedure can be mandated on someone to help someone else, we have to remove all vaccine mandates for minors as well, then i am ok with it (i can still vaccinate my kids so why would i care too much about the rest).

I hope you agree though Rick that colleges that take public money should not be allowed to mandate any vaccination to adult students and faculty, with no exception, and with no emergency that can ever change that.

RFK's recounting of his firing of the CDC director is pretty hilarious, even by his standards

Oh ok. This totally believable story that I'm sure actually happened proves the firing was justified and not that RFK is too dumb to even lie about it convincingly!

Coming from you ….

What you expect .
Believing earth is 6000 years old isn’t a new thing in the US.
And that mind frame really trickle down in other scientific subjects.

Hmmm, I wonder if Trump 1.0 pushing the conspiracy that vaccines are linked to autism had anything to do with that number decreasing so much by 2019

I guess we will never know!

I care about the rest because a child's life shouldn't be ended because their parents are unbelievably stupid.

I think any organization that takes public money should be allowed to mandate any vaccination in order to protect their students/faculty/workers. If a student or teacher doesn't want to be vaccinated then they have to choose a different school that just doesn't care about the health of their students and teachers.

Basically all public schools in every state in the US mandate vaccines for children. Maybe Florida just shifted to not mandating vaccines in public schools and would be the only state to do something that incredibly dumb. In many states parents are allowed to not vaccinate their children but then they can't be in a public school.

Are you trying to destroy the entire right in one shot? 😀

Given that vaccine producers are exempt from lawsuits, I don't think vaccine's should ever be mandated.

If those exemptions are lifted, then discussing mandates can at least be discussed. But not a nanosecond before imo.

More like destroying POC in one shot. 😀

more people in the USA believed the earth is 6000 yeras old in 1991 than in 2019, so what's your point?

Hey, bruh, do you realize your racism and homophobia have been creeping back into your posting recently, or is this something so baked into your person that you're not aware you do it?

Huh?

I was pointing out that POC typically have higher rates of alcoholism and obesity. It's not a political-axis issue. It's more economic than political imo.

Did you actually read the post I was responding to?

Looking forward to you giving even one an example any 'homophobic' post I've made.

And if you find one, then I will be permabanned, so you should be happy about that.

Except many decades ago it was mostly liberals who were anti-vaxx.

?????

Did some research and moved on to just believing the Earth's flat.

to be clear RFK is a *lifetime democrat radical activist* that was an environmentalist lawyer , lover of nature, the usual hippie stuff.