Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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You’d have to ask Hamas. Or you can use google and the internet.
They’ve received billions in aid over the years and I guess the crowning achievement of all of that aid was Al Aqsa Flood.
I’m not an avid reader of this thread but I seem to remember to read here how Palestinians should be grateful of Israel , giving them so much economic opportunities the like , but then they need 80% of foreign aid ?
What's there even left to destroy at this point. The last 2 maybe 3 ''high-rise towers''. Guess Trump wants all of it demolished before he turns it into Gaz-a-Lago.
What we have going on today with the masses of Jews around the world opposing the Jewish supremacy in Gaza is reminiscent of white people in America who opposed white supremacy. They’re actually may be a higher percentage of Jews today opposing Jewish supremacy compared to whites who opposed to white supremacy. Obviously many whites opposed slavery during the US civil war fighting for the union and supporting the civil rights act during the days of segregation.
But look at not only the leading influential voices of Jews, including holocaust survivors opposing Jewish supremacy, and the genocide in Gaza. You just could look at the many Jews around the world who are leading the pro Palestinian protests. Jews have historically in large Number stood up for what was right think about in the Soviet Union where half 1 million Jewish men and woman took up the rifle and fought the Nazis heroically. Many of them were awarded the highest awards hundreds of them were generals and officers. The older Russian Jews to this day speak of their patriotism and love of Judaism.
History will record the many honorable Jews of the world and in Israel, who are working against the Jewish supremacy of the Netanyahu administration. And for those who are standing with Netanyahu we’ll many of them will go on to regret their decisions… just as a lot of white Christians who supported Segregation in America went onto to later regret their decision.
What we have going on today with the masses of Jews around the world opposing the Jewish supremacy in Gaza is reminiscent of white people in America who opposed white supremacy. They’re actually may be a higher percentage of Jews today opposing Jewish supremacy compared to whites who opposed to white supremacy. Obviously many whites opposed slavery during the US civil war
what Jewish institutions oppose the genocide? what synagogues or JCC's or Hillel branches? what Jewish owned companies even?
the fact is that approx 99.99% of Jewish organizations (I literally cant think of single one fwiw) support the genocide or Israel. the vast majority of Jewish people throughout the world support the genocide.
and those Jews who ostensibly oppose it, such as Adam Friedland and the rest of the talking heads many of whom are getting rich off of it, only oppose it bc it makes "Jews look bad". this is ofc typical liberal mentality. deep down they are fine with the violence since it is ultimately in their material interests, but only wish it was hidden better. just like the liberals in America love Obama bc he was a bit more successful at hiding his mass murder regime than Trump who advertises blowing up fisherman for fun and profit.
The knight is probably posting AI generated slop.
what Jewish institutions oppose the genocide? what synagogues or JCC's or Hillel branches? what Jewish owned companies even? the fact is that approx 99.99% of Jewish organizations (I literally cant think of single one fwiw) support the genocide or Israel. the vast majority of Jewish people throughout the world support the genocide. and those Jews who ostensibly oppose it,
Ben and Jerry’s
wait a sec Viktor:
/deep down they are fine with the violence since it is ultimately in their material interests/
do you say that Jews are better off if Palestinians get killed? everywhere they live in the world?
what Jewish institutions oppose the genocide? what synagogues or JCC's or Hillel branches? what Jewish owned companies even? the fact is that approx 99.99% of Jewish organizations (I literally cant think of single one fwiw) support the genocide or Israel. the vast majority of Jewish people throughout the world support the genocide. and those Jews who ostensibly oppose it,
lmao bro wants to go to every last synagogue and jewish-owned company and get a statement on anti-zionism. you can’t make this up folks.
What's there even left to destroy at this point. The last 2 maybe 3 ''high-rise towers''. Guess Trump wants all of it demolished before he turns it into Gaz-a-Lago.
Do you accept that these buildings are completely militarized (booby traps, weapons caches, tunnel entrances) and on top of this a giant security concern because it gives snipers a location to operate from?
It seems pretty obvious that If Israel is going to move ground troops in to secure the area, leaving the high rise buildings would be a tremendous security vulnerability for said troops. Now you might argue that in fighting a "moral" war Israel should just accept a lot more casualties for their troops as a consequence of acting more ethically. And you are free to have this opinion. But if you cant even acknowledge such tactical realities, than it is kind of a moot point even having a conversation at all.
This is why I dont really bother to engage Victor, unless I am in a mood to be masochistic. He doesn't acknowledge basic reality, so there is no real point.
A classified Israeli army database indicates that the vast majority of the 6,000 Palestinians who have been arrested in Gaza and held in appalling conditions in Israeli detention are civilians
I don't think Israel is bothered by Ben and Jerry's 2021 (pre-Gaza-war) decision not to sell ice cream in the Occupied Territories. Note Ben and Jerry's are still fine with Israel -- just not the Occupied Territories. In addition, Ben and Jerry's is a subsidiary of Unilever, and the figleaf 'independence' of Ben & Jerry's pretentious 'mission board' -- amounting to little more than press releases -- doesn't really mean anything. The world is considerably larger than the state of Vermont and has larger, more urgent and more often conflicting priorities than the comfortable white citizens of that small privileged enclave are ever likely to understand.
I don't think Israel is bothered by Ben and Jerry's 2021 (pre-Gaza-war) decision not to sell ice cream in the Occupied Territories. Note Ben and Jerry's are still fine with Israel -- just not the Occupied Territories. In addition, Ben and Jerry's is a subsidiary of Unilever, and the figleaf 'independence' of Ben & Jerry's pretentious 'mission board' -- amounting to little more
my understanding is that the founder Ben is outspoken against Israel and the genocide and AIPAC. but, as you mention, the original founders no longer own the company and it belongs to Unilever.
I don't think Israel is bothered by Ben and Jerry's 2021 (pre-Gaza-war) decision not to sell ice cream in the Occupied Territories. Note Ben and Jerry's are still fine with Israel -- just not the Occupied Territories. In addition, Ben and Jerry's is a subsidiary of Unilever, and the figleaf 'independence' of Ben & Jerry's pretentious 'mission board' -- amounting to little more
The original owners have been very involved in left wing politics my entire adult life (and probably a long time before), and I have never heard them say a single positive thing about Israel or US support of Israel. They have also publicly criticized and taken (mostly symbolic) business actions against your own nation and Australia (and many other nations) for what they perceive as human rights abuses.
I dont know if it will go anywhere, but they are literally suing Unilever because they dont approve of Unilever not taking a stronger stance against Israel.
This dismissive post seems to be a reflection of your own antisemitic biases, more than any objective assessment of Ben and Jerrys the company or the original founders. There is no chance you would be making such an aggressively dismissive post like this if the owners names were Achmed and Muhammad, as opposed to Ben and Jerry.
Didn't we already do this nonsense?
All this says is that the detainees weren't already in the database as being known PIJ and Hamas military wing members. The IDF has never pretended they have a comprehensive database of all military wing members. And this database doesn't account for Hamas and PIJ combatants not in the military wing, militants in other groups, or recently recruited military wing militants to Hamas and PIJ (Hamas has bragged about tens of thousands of new recruits, and although this is probably an exaggeration, there has assuredly been significant number of recruits that would not be in databases).
Under the circumstances, there is nothing surprising that only 1/4 of captured combatants are known members of Hamas and PIJ military wing.
Completely bad faith "report."
I dont approve of Ben and Jerry's politics at all. I personally boycott their ice cream because of this, although I am not going to moralize or tell anyone else what they should think and do. Just my personal choice.
But 57's insinuation it is all fake and insincere despite literal decades of consistent activism for innumerable left wing cases; there really is no better explanation than 57's own biases.
Beyond a shadow of a doubt, there are Jews presently doing more to help the Gazans and Palestinians as a whole than the entirety of this thread will do in their lifetimes.
On another note, let’s not forget that somewhere between 10-20% of Hamas’ missiles land in Gaza, on Gazans. Early on in the conflict the Al Ahli hospital was hit by a IJ rocket and incorrectly blamed on the IDF. Posting contextless pictures of dead kids is very dishonest. Hamas supporters have been known to take pictures of starving kids not even from Gaza and try to present them as evidence to demonize Israel.
The original owners have been very involved in left wing politics my entire adult life...
They're capitalists. And left wing politics do not exist in the United States, only the performative pretence of same.
I dont know if it will go anywhere, but they are literally suing Unilever because they dont approve of Unilever not taking a stronger stance against Israel.
It won't go anywhere. Unilever is preparing to spin off its ice cream division, now named Magnum, and the head of litigation for Magnum, Palmina Fava, is also general counsel for Ben and Jerry's.
This dismissive post seems to be a reflection of your own antisemitic biases...
Don't be daft.
I wonder what will happen to these guy’s heads when they discover “for fun and profit” is also a chief motivator in the non-Western parts of the world.
Early on in the conflict the Al Ahli hospital was hit by a IJ rocket and incorrectly blamed on the IDF.
lol this is filed right along with the beheaded babies and mass rapes.
