2025 World Series of Poker May 27th - July 16th
Ahh, there it is, Grinder’s first big suckout, AI PF A6 v A7, runner runner flush with the ace on the river.
I personally would rather have 2-3 pm start times like old WSOP
day 2 10 am start times sound ****, not that id ever make one
10 am is atrocious. Sure days should be shorter but the solution isn't to start at an absurdly early hour for Vegas.
I mean if the high rollers want that for their high roller events fine. But that's got nothing to do with the people wsop is trying to attract.
Can you imagine what the U.S. economy would be like if everyone slept in until noon? I vote for 9am. Let's make it more like a regular workday.
Can you imagine what the U.S. economy would be like if everyone slept in until noon? I vote for 9am. Let's make it more like a regular workday.
It’s not a regular workday, it’s poker. You don’t need to worry about the economy because no one is producing anything.
Nobody plays poker at 9am. Lots of people play poker at 2am.
Can you imagine what the U.S. economy would be like if everyone slept in until noon? I vote for 9am. Let's make it more like a regular workday.
who gives a ****. that has nothing to do with wsop. most losing players at wsop are on vacation. Casinos are empty at 10 am and packed at midnight.
This 10 am crap is just even more of the poker nerds not wanting to cater to recs.
If they want a 9-5 get a 9-5. Otherwise realize who your customers are.
recs.the grinders are gonna play no matter what.
And most of them aren't dying to wake up early and play poker at 10am.
I see the exact opposite in reality. The “recs” as you say, fresh off planes from Tulsa, Toledo & Tampa are the ones seated at 10am ready to go, while the “grinders” come shuffling in with their headphones on around noon. So maybe WSOP is in fact catering to recs. 10am WSOP time is already 1pm for East Coasters.
I see the exact opposite in reality. The “recs” as you say, fresh off planes from Tulsa, Toledo & Tampa are the ones seated at 10am ready to go, while the “grinders” come shuffling in with their headphones on around noon. So maybe WSOP is in fact catering to recs. 10am WSOP time is already 1pm for East Coasters.
Yea that's why poker rooms and casinos are packed at 10am
Maybe you don't understand the difference between "poker" and "tournaments". Yeah, its fun to play poker (cash games) late into the night. No problem with that. Come and go as you wish. But for the recs who travel to Vegas once a year to play some WSOP events, I think it would be far more enjoyable for the majority of them to start earlier and end at a reasonable time, giving them the option to go get a nice dinner and a decent night sleep. Tournaments keep you hostage to a fixed schedule, so at least if you start earlier and bust, you still have time to do something else at the end of the day (or even better for the WSOP, to rebuy), especially if you are a rec that travelled a long way on a vacation. Not everyone comes to Vegas in the summer to grind themselves into exhaustion late into the night like you.
And yet the event center/convention halls are packed at 10am when rec-heavy Milly Maker, Monster Stack, Mystery Bounty, Colussus, and Main Event are running, go figure.
I've literally never heard a single rec want earlier start times. But Ive heard plenty say they wish they started later or they're not playing an event because they're out until 5am drinking and doing Vegas things . But yea let's cater to high roller pros who are already super toxic for poker. Makes sense.
I've literally never heard a single rec want earlier start times. But Ive heard plenty say they wish they started later or they're not playing an event because they're out until 5am drinking and doing Vegas things . But yea let's cater to high roller pros who are already super toxic for poker. Makes sense.
Most recs aren’t out till 5am “doing Vegas things”, maybe because you enjoy that lifestyle those are the recs you encounter and assume it’s majority. The fact that tables are packed on big rec-heavy events at start of day would tell you that not every rec is a “party hard guy” like yourself.
I’ll take 12:30am end of day times over 2-3am like the old days, all day long excuse the pun. If you don’t like 10am then skip first level(s), most of you guys are also bitching about meaningless first levels being “too deep” anyways lol.
Most recs aren’t out till 5am “doing Vegas things”, maybe because you enjoy that lifestyle those are the recs you encounter and assume it’s majority. The fact that tables are packed on big rec-heavy events at start of day would tell you that not every rec is a “party hard guy” like yourself.I’ll take 12:30am end of day times over 2-3am like the old days, all day long excuse th
You realize these are recs I'm playing poker with right? Not randoms at the bar at 4am.
Lol I almost never even play tournaments
The long days are terrible whether it starts at 10:00 or noon
But 10 is a joke especially in Vegas
If recs start clamoring for it then sure do 10. But they aren't. Let toxic high roller pros start whenever they want for high rollers but they should have zero influence in other events
You realize these are recs I'm playing poker with right? Not randoms at the bar at 4am.Lol I almost never even play tournaments The long days are terrible whether it starts at 10:00 or noon But 10 is a joke especially in VegasIf recs start clamoring for it then sure do 10. But they aren't. Let toxic high roller pros start whenever they want for high rollers but they should ha
Not sure what you’re talking about re: High Rollers as those events start way later than 10am, those are afternoon starts or noon at earliest.
Also, just checked the structure sheets, the ME last year had Noon start times. Only smaller buyin, massive field events had 10am starts, and there were very few of them, so I’m not even sure what you’re going on about?
TDs and staff are not waking up at 5am to mobilize the rooms for 9am or 10am starts...ain't happening...
Poker always was about late nights and not having to confirm to norms and it should stay that way. Don't change that and make it sterile bullshit. Even as a spectator sport watching the WSOP streams the best events with the most tension go on late into the night.
As someone who has woken up for work at 5:30AM the last 30 years, the idea that a 10AM start is "early" is funny
Yes, I know on vacation things are different, but even then, my body cant stay out past midnight and sleeping until 8AM feels like a coma
I'm guessing most recs in the poker world are closer to my schedule than "staying out until 3AM partying!!! even on vaca
But I dont do tourneys, so I have no dog in this fight, but I am at the cash tables by noon every day when in Vegas
As someone who has woken up for work at 5:30AM the last 30 years, the idea that a 10AM start is "early" is funnyYes, I know on vacation things are different, but even then, my body cant stay out past midnight and sleeping until 8AM feels like a comaI'm guessing most recs in the poker world are closer to my schedule than "staying out until 3AM partying!!! even on vacaBut I dont
It's Vegas. All the fun happens after midnight.
Personally I think a 12 pm start time is kind of the sweet spot. The 10 am starts are definitely too early IMO, but I can understand in the large field events it's kind of a logistical necessity. They can accommodate more people by seating the early risers at 10, then filling the seats as people bust with the late reg crowd. As someone else said for day 1s it's really no big deal as you can always late reg if you were out late the night before.
I would have preferred noon when I was 30, now that I'm 48 and raised two kids, I would def much prefer 10a-midnight days over noon-2am days. Esp since Vegas is two hours early for me, 10a feels like noon, and I simply can't sleep past like 7am when I'm in Vegas anyway.
As someone who plays poker 1-2 times a week as a part time hustle im kind of in-between the rec/reg crowd. Im 40, but also someone who stays up late. I enjoy the occasional tournament but rarely play live because of being held hostage all day to then make negative money.
With that said, 10am start is fine. Regardless of who you are. I mean if the first 3 levels aren't important then don't show up-or better yet just dont play that one. But while I love to play cards, 14 hours Straight minus a few breaks is a lot. Plus youre so wired at 1230 when youre done it cn be hard to sleep until 2-230. It should be 10am-10pm. 10 min breaks every 2 hours, 45 min dinner break at 6. Seems reasonable to me.
Keep deepstacks deep tho, dont shorten them. That's what makes them appealing as tournaments are already crapshoots
I hate a 45 min dinner break. Make it 60-90 min so you can actually eat, or just skip it and bring snacks etc and eat after. 45 min is just enough time to make you finish later but not actually be able to eat anywhere.
