[ClubWPTGold] Unofficial Thread

Ah, thanks. That's one hell of a workaround lol

People like him who make wide sweeping generalizations and ignore the fact that cheating scandals have consistently surfaced over online Poker’s lifespan are probably not high level thinkers, nor consequently winning players.

I’m up around 20k on clubwptgold and I agree with everything you’ve said. If dragonrider plays mtts on clubwptgold I have some of his money.

when your consistently crushing for decades you have no time nor care about the random cheating scandals that come about. we know and understand they exist, we dont use them as excuses for inability to win like the person i quoted. especially when you start mentioning rng , most obvious clown **** ever

Brag/info: Just won $500 in the chip dump promo, so I can confirm it's not all just $1 prizes.

Yet you have plenty of time to further embarrass yourself on public forums.

By "we", are you speaking for all the decades long crushers who discovered 2p2 in 2021 or just yourself?

Same thing people said when Mike Postle was destroying the tables.

Everyone I know, who plays on this site, thinks there's something up with the RNG. I'd bet a decent amount of money something is up with the RNG. No I don't think it's rigged against a Coordi or a Snipe. I think it's rigged in favor of action.

It's weird to be up as much as I am since Canada was allowed on and to still think this but I do.

What kind of nonsense is this. If you were in fact consistently crushing for decades you'd have all the reason in the world to care about ''random cheating scandals''. They've been increasing in frequency for years and it has gotten infinitely worse with RTA, the **** you talking about.

This thread is embarrassing.

Agreed 100%; don't even know what to call out. ITT: people who think WPT would stake their billion-dollar reputation on rigging low-midstakes action. Inb4 "people have risked a lot more for a lot less." I mean my God, just excuse yourself from the site and the discussion if you are so convicted in your belief and come back when you have any substantial evidence.

And for the third time from me, no idea why we're having a back-and-forth about this ITT. Nobody ever posts anything of value to bring to the table about this anyway; just go chat about it in the "Is online poker rigged?" debate thread.

There are plenty of things worth discussing about the state of the site right now - the software, the soft pool, etc. Why get stuck on this BS?

I mean... I have never seen so many winning regs come out and say something must be up...

except in the last couple years when massive amounts of collusion/cheating has been uncovered on Bovada

except when mike postle happened

except when the super user scandal happened

hmmm...

So what? Tgiggity is right. So many winning regs are saying the RNG is suspect I don't understand why your first reaction would be ''Billion dollar company would never''. Like companies worth infinitely more have never done shady ****.

I agree none of us have any evidence but perhaps the evidence is the fact that everyone I know who plays on ClubWPTgold says the exact same thing and all of us are up heaps and evidently so are a bunch of guys in here. Dunno man, maybe we're not all crazy?

Wrong. The first thing that happened was a ton of reactions like yours. ''No way Bodog would allow this'' ''No way someone can cheat at live poker''.

I have a thread from last month where I document my initial deposit in late October when they released PLO. I ran $1K up to $2660 in about 33K hands of PLO10-20. If you use .4 as my bb, my winrate was 11bb/100. I don't think the action is rigged. Now you know a winner on the site who doesn't think the action is rigged. The only difference is I can verify I've won over a long period of time unlike anyone who has just posted and stated they're winning (not saying they're lying; I just tend to be incredulous without proof of winning... how many guys at the live tables I've heard claim they're long-term winners over the years, etc. Plenty of liars out there).

But the most important thing is this. Anyone saying they are winning and think it's rigged or losing and think it's rigged is PURELY ANECDOTAL and nothing more.

Anecdotally, I’ve made more quads / straight flushes than I ever have in my life in a small sample of hands. I’ve played over 50k hands of cash and am winning an absolutely unreasonable amount

I think it’s more likely there is cheating though. I’ve started being wary of certain players sitting with each other despite this site being an absolute printer

More proof the site is rigged

They give 500 promo to dubness where the money is now officially removed from circulation.

Just wanted to chime in on the rng. I’m a winning online midstakes reg for 8 years. I’ve played almost 200k hands on this site and am up a lot. The best way I can describe how the rng on here feels is there’s almost a magnetism to the runouts especially turn and river runouts in relation to players in the hand. It’s like aim assist in fps games. It’s actually funny to me how often I see quads get hit compared to other sites.

I am aware how dumb this sounds and something you might hear on a baseless online poker rigged claim but I just wanted to get this out for any other people that might have similar feelings who have put in a lot of volume here. Maybe it’s just the nature of these 8 handed ante games that I’m not used to. I’m not even sure what the incentive would be for them to do this given the rake cap is hit a lot either way, maybe other then lowkey making the whales lose slower or have a better experience hitting things.

Sure, is anyone claiming otherwise? I'm pretty sure my post literally said I have no evidence but the RNG ''feels'' suspect. Yes, I know it sounds ridiculous and after 15+ years of playing poker for a living never thought I'd say this but here I am, and btw, clearly not the only one.

But yes, seeing as no one can provide any evidence, we can talk about something else. That seems fair.

I wrote this and then deleted lol cause cba having to defend that statement but totally agreed.

I think if you read the thread you'll find plenty who agree with you. Seems like most are up a ton because how can they not be the site is that soft and still suspect something is up.

Alternately, you can excuse yourself from the discussion and stop bringing nothing of value. You're part of the "back and forth" you argue against. If you don't like it - there are plenty of ways not to participate - all of which you've chosen to ignore opting instead to act as self important thread police.

If you're so convicted in your beliefs, come back when you have any substantial evidence that there is no problem.

People who use the same old tropes to argue against discussion are perhaps the most tedious of internet personas.

I think the other thing to note is that all scandals have started with "something feels odd" discussion. Again, I'm not claiming there's a scandal here - I never have - but those who've been around since the Ultimate Bet / Absolute / Full Tilt days and followed those threads know that the proof didn't just appear one day. It started with discussion which led to investigation and eventually data and indisputable proof.

People act like considering ideas they don't necessarily agree with is blasphemy rather than sophistication.

Totally agree it starts with something feels odd. Like your sub conscious is trying to tell you something. This is the feeling I had at 10/20 on ignition for awhile until I finally realized just how hard I was being colluded and cheated against. I was printing for years and the last months of my play I couldn’t explain it but something felt off.

That’s the same feeling I have about this site especially the rng so if many other regs feel the same, maybe there is something to it. I’m sure many are still printing here but just something to be more aware of for all of us.

Not sure about the last part... I have a blog on here where I go as far as to post IRL photos and shared my struggle with addiction... no interest in creating any sort of persona on here beyond presenting what is genuinely me

But you are totally correct about the former - no sarcasm. As I've posted before ITT, I've learned words alone will not reach anyone on this subject, so I should just observe and not participate similar to how I treat LVPPV. FWIW, I see the "non-zero chance" chat earlier and want to say I fall into that camp... definitely agnostic on this, not 100% absolute zero.

The bolded part is it. People are used to tight 6max games, and gold is 8max with antes and straddles. Its a completely different beast and it seems like people are not used to it. The only thing people have behind their arguments are "vibes". It's moronic and annoying, and ruins this thread that can have useful discussion, and derails it with ZOMG THE RNG based on nothing but increased variance from the different structures. If ANYONE brings anything to this discussion more than vibes, then sure. But nobody is doing that.

For those interested, take a look into WPT Global’s relationship with A5 labs and consider some of the problems facing businesses, especially subscription based ones, such as churn and customer retention. WPTGlobal is a different entity than ClubWPTGold but afaik both operate under the WPT parent company.

You realize there are games other than NLH 6 max offered right?

The only thing "ruining the thread" are the people arguing against open discussion and labeling conversation "moronic". If you don't like the direction of the conversation, find something interesting to contribute that will spark better discussion.

It's crazy how many brilliant, game crushing, omniscient folks immediately resort to name calling and thread policing when the question of integrity comes up. If the discussion isn't worth your time, don't spend your time on it..

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To be fair, I've never had to deposit onto a site more often than this one, the variance in these games is pretty big

I have been playing 200-2knl for ~9 years and millions of hands. played on basically every site that has existed over that span, small and large, usa and international. never have I felt the way I feel about clubwpt about any other site (except when the collusion on bodog became apparent, but as you mentioned, that was different) obviously some people are still winning and that's great, but the rng is incredibly suspect (and without proper databases it will take a long time for definitive proof to come out)

personally, almost all of my volume over the past few years has been 9max with massive antes on ggpoker so I am quite used to how these games play