USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
Mathematical understanding doesn’t equal intuitive comprehension. We can describe higher dimensions through geometry and topology, but that doesn’t mean we can actually picture or experience them directly. A tesseract is a good example: we can work out all its properties, but what we “see” is just a projection, not the thing itself, like with Plato's Cave.That’s why metaphors m
If it’s true that they’re just trying to use metaphors to describe ultimate reality (which I don’t think is true) then they would just be false. That doesn’t mean they’re not useful, as I granted that they could have instrumental value, but it does mean that their historical claims of x person doing y, if it is not the case that x person did y then they would be making a false claim.
This sort of perennialism is not necessarily welcomed by the religions themselves either:
Religious criticism has emerged from within various traditions, including Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism.[58] Tom Facchine argues that by prioritizing mystical experience over revelation and sacred texts, perennialists neglect, ignore, or reinterpret the truth claims found in the religious traditions they are engaged with, or that they interpret or distort the words of some religious historical figures to confirm their own views.[59][60]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_...
If perennialism is true, then Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and probably other religions are just all false. That was my metaphor about the 5 standards. If you have 5 religions and then introduce an ideology that says that they are all true, you haven’t united them into one religion but rather created a separate religion. So now you have 6 religions that all disagree.
If it’s true that they’re just trying to use metaphors to describe ultimate reality (which I don’t think is true) then they would just be false. That doesn’t mean they’re not useful, as I granted that they could have instrumental value, but it does mean that their historical claims of x person doing y, if it is not the case that x person did y then
Which makes sense if religion is man made to control people but if it's from god (or less prescriptive men) then yes it's about helping people reveal their own views but they are not remotely arbitrary - if god then they are god given.
Always seems weird (it has come up a lot in the past) that some religious folk bang on about some questionable book as if it trumps our moral sense. If god then our moral sense is far more indicative of what god wants us to do. books and stories are an important part of how we understand ourselves.
The logical contradiction in terms is saying S is P and not-P, or S is married and not married. That we have another term to describe not married doesn't really affect anything.
That's the gist of Perrenialism: all the major religions are saying essentially the same thing about ultimate reality irrespective of the terms and particulars. That a Christian, a Jew, a Muslum, a Hindu, a Daoist and a Buddhist walk into a bar and a scrum breaks out isn't really a counter argument.
Mathematical understanding doesn’t equal intuitive comprehension. We can describe higher dimensions through geometry and topology, but that doesn’t mean we can actually picture or experience them directly. A tesseract is a good example: we can work out all its properties, but what we “see” is just a projection, not the thing itself, like with Plato's Cave.
If the only thing you have to understand something is a vague notion of intuitive comprehension you should be skeptical of it. The example you chose was poor because we have way more than just intuition about n that case.
How 'bout that Iranian war?
I’m old enough to remember when we came to an agreement and iran gave America everything it ever wanted on *checks notes* Friday
Wasn't this almost over and the strait opened, or was i imagining that?
It’s almost like kegstand read the last 200 posts and decided they needed to restart the war to end cylinder talk
This latest aside isn't a blockade on talking about the war. But as I said, most of the people left on this board don't want to engage in any substantive talk on the war. They mostly just want to talk about the personal character, play tribal identity politics or whatever, with some just outright trolling.
This latest aside isn't a blockade on talking about the war. But as I said, most of the people left on this board don't want to engage in any substantive talk on the war. They mostly just want to talk about the personal character, play tribal identity politics or whatever, with some just outright trolling.
Its like watching CNN when the Iranians had the blockade up but Iranian ships were getting through they bashed Trump for allowing it than when Trump put up a blockade he was a child for blockading a blockade
Remember when CNN failed to criticize Biden for demanding the Strait be opened, demanding Europe open the Strait, proclaimed in open, claiming we don’t care if the Strait is opened and then blocked the blockade of the Strait in a 10 day period?
This latest aside isn't a blockade on talking about the war. But as I said, most of the people left on this board don't want to engage in any substantive talk on the war. They mostly just want to talk about the personal character, play tribal identity politics or whatever, with some just outright trolling.
Its like watching CNN when the Iranians had the blockade up but Iranian s
What about the time Donald J Trump raped children?
Remember when CNN failed to criticize Biden for demanding the Strait be opened, demanding Europe open the Strait, proclaimed in open, claiming we don’t care if the Strait is opened and then blocked the blockade of the Strait in a 10 day period?
The straight was never closed under Biden you can bash Trump for starting the war. If only we had Kamala in to scare the Iranians by saying Don't
Nor can flatlanders understand what a cylinder is. But someone from the 3-d world might be able to get them to believe cylinders exist through metaphors. That's what religions are: a mystic describing a higher reality through metaphor and people believe him even though they haven't directly experienced it for themselves. We call them 'believers' as opposed to knowers or mystics
I don't accept your idiosyncratic definition/interpretation/understanding of 'religion.' So, obviously I'm not 'claiming' anything of the sort.
I don't accept your idiosyncratic definition/interpretation/understanding of 'religion.' So, obviously I'm not 'claiming' anything of the sort.
Then define your terms. That's usually where most disagreements occur, not the logic. From my perspective the Bible could be complete myth and it wouldn't affect what Christianity actually means or entails, ie, the Word becoming flesh. And I think all the major religions are saying the same thing, just with different words or symbols. So it's a 'best' or 'true' for whom, more than anything absolute. Just telling me you don't agree with that isn't telling me anything about what you're claiming.
Then define your terms. That's usually where most disagreements occur, not the logic. From my perspective the Bible could be complete myth and it wouldn't affect what Christianity actually means or entails, ie, the Word becoming flesh. And I think all the major religions are saying the same thing, just with different words or symbols. So it's a 'best' or 'true' for whom, more t
If you get rid of the soteriology and christology of Christianity, what exactly are you left with except some religious platitudes?
10 But by the grace of God I am that I am: and his grace which is in me, was not in vain: but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which is with me.
11 Wherefore, whether it were I, or they, so we preach, and so have ye believed.
12 ¶ [g]Now if it be preached, that Christ is risen from the dead, how say some among you, that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 [h]For if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 [i]And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 And we are found also false witnesses of God: for we have testified of God, that he hath raised up Christ: whom he hath not raised up, if so be the dead be not raised.
16 [j]For if the dead be not raised, then is Christ not raised.
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain: [k]ye are [l]yet in your sins.
18 [m]And so they which are asleep in Christ, are perished.
19 [n]If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most miserable.
20 [o]But now is Christ risen from the dead, [p]and was made the [q]firstfruits of them that slept.
21 [r]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be [s]made alive.
23 [t]But every man in his own order: the firstfruits is Christ, afterward, they that are of Christ, at his coming shall rise again.
24 [u]Then shall be the [v]end, when he hath delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father, when he hath put down [w]all rule, and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign till he hath put all his enemies [x]under his feet.
26 The [y]last enemy that shall be destroyed, is death.
27 For he hath put down all things under his feet. (And when he saith that all things are subdued to him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put down all things under him.)
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, [z]then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him, that did subdue all things under him, that [aa]God may be all in all.
29 [ab]Else what shall they do which are baptized [ac]for dead? if the dead rise not at all, why are they then baptized for dead?
30 [ad]Why are we also in jeopardy every hour?
31 By your [ae]rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 [af]If I have fought with beasts at Ephesus [ag]after the manner of men, what advantageth it me, if the dead be not raised up? [ah]let us [ai]eat and drink: for tomorrow we shall die.
The straight was never closed under Biden you can bash Trump for starting the war. If only we had Kamala in to scare the Iranians by saying Don't
The reality is if the straight remains open and he strikes a good deal with Iran you will not give him credit for it.
Did the ship originate at an Iranian Port though. That is the only ships Trump said he would block. Reality is there are a ton of ports outside the straight as well
Imagine what it would be with a energy east and another pipeline to the coast . Tankers would be lined up with the straight closed
This seems to be a persistent problem.
