President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
there you go again with more personal insultsi didn't manipulate anything. i was describing the broader resource strain, which is why i included behavioral health alongside overdoses, those calls require the same multi-unit response and the same police escort, the resource problem doesn't care what you label the call.the 2025 sfd annual report has the numbers. 108,763 total res
Mind blowing gymnastics.
2%>30%>80%
I guess it's close.
roc called the argument dishonest, not me, and even that was because he was still narrowly focused on fentanyl ODs specifically while i was talking about the broader homeless and behavioral health burden. two different conversations.
I called the argument dishonest because you were saying "do the math," which was itself misleading in context, while at the same time comparing apples to oranges (which you acknowledge), which made the math not only misleading but also mostly irrelevant.
I stand by that characterization.
I called the argument dishonest because you were saying "do the math," which was itself misleading in context, while at the same time comparing apples to oranges (which you acknowledge), which made the math not only misleading but also mostly irrelevant.
I stand by that characterization.
yes i agree, and we both know lozen was just pulling a random big number out of his ass - he was obviously talking about the greater zeitgeist and not that specifically, although he obviously didn't do himself any favors with his phrasing and numbers
i was touching on the grander big picture and not the narrow focus of fent death and i was very clear that i was talking about apples vs oranges from the start
but it is about 30% of calls on that general area and instead of it being a scoop and go it's a scene call where they need to wait half a block away for 20 minutes until enough police show up and then spend half an hour negotiating with them before treatment is even possible
in terms of tying up resources, i don't have a number, but it is monumental, to the point that the sfd created their own unit specifically dedicated to deal with that stuff and the spd is mostly looking at "how well can he interact with homeless junkies" more than anything else in their application filtering
Rickroll: yeah, ROC showed I was dishonest and even though he maintains I was dishonest and I admit I was dishonest, I am still right that it’s 30%, which if you squint and look at it, it really looks like 80%. So I am right and Losen was almost right..
"Hey, bros, I was clearly talking about the drain on EMS when tossing in behavioral and mental health crises in along with fetty overdoses when I used 30% to refute 2%. Now that I'm pressed, I'm going with 5% are fetty calls, which is closer to the mean of 2% and 80% if you took statistics at Trump University."
"Hey, bros, I was clearly talking about the drain on EMS when tossing in behavioral and mental health crises in along with fetty overdoses when I used 30% to refute 2%. Now that I'm pressed, I'm going with 5% are fetty calls, which is closer to the mean of 2% and 80% if you took statistics at Trump University."
biggest strawman in the world
nowhere did i claim fent od's were 30%
nobody is defending the literal 80% number if he meant fentanyl overdoses, obviously not. but the 1–2% counter is way further from the truth than 80% is - which is hilarious that one number which is 2.5x overstated gets insane pushback but another number which is 15x understated gets none at alli couldn’t find clean police or emt data, but the Seattle Fire Departmen
And yet you quote a post of yours that states the problem is 15x greater than the 2% stated. Hmmm.
Then you elaborate that if you lump in mental health calls with all drug calls, it's 30% which is closer to 80% than 2%. Okay, then.
So:
Rococo: "You're being dishonest."
CRD: "I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to you just being dumb."
Which is it?
Rick, it started with you saying that I was some censorious leftist because I challenged someone on their position on a public forum, despite the fact that I don’t consider myself a leftist nor am I the type of person to call someone transphobic.
Also you realize if someone calls an argument dishonest, this is akin to saying you’re lying, right? If I said an argument was an argument only a racist would make, that’s also technically attacking the argument but it’s also imputing positions on the person making the argument. I’ve been on forums where you’re allowed to attack arguments and not posters, it usually winds up with people making colorful insults and then attaching “argument” at the end. I’m not saying that’s what roc was doing, but if someone said my argument was dishonest I would assume they were by proxy saying I was being dishonest. Maybe that’s incorrect.
I do find it funny that you flipped out on me for calling you dumb when you called someone dumb unprompted just a few posts after this one.
universities are demographically skewed left. faculty, admissions, student body - this is documented and not seriously disputedwhat happens inside that environment isn't pure indoctrination, though some of them indeed are indoctrinated. for most it's something more boring and better evidenced. students who don't fit the consensus don't get converted. they go quiet. they learn w
Also you realize if someone calls an argument dishonest, this is akin to saying you’re lying, right?
I don't agree with this statement.
Rick, it started with you saying that I was some censorious leftist because I challenged someone on their position on a public forum, despite the fact that I don’t consider myself a leftist nor am I the type of person to call someone transphobic.Also you realize if someone calls an argument dishonest, this is akin to saying you’re lying, right? If I said an argument was an argu
lol i didn't even remotely insult you in that bit i was mostly poking fun at amp
and you left out what i was responding too, which i genuinely think was a pretty funny response 😀
and you accuse me of misrepresenting stuff lol
lol i didn't even remotely insult you in that bit i was mostly poking fun at amp and you left out what i was responding too, which i genuinely think was a pretty funny response 😀 and you accuse me of misrepresenting stuff lol
I didn’t leave out what you were responding to. I did the type of quote that lets you click to go back to what you were replying to so you can see the context. The context was not that he insulted you and you replied with an insult. He was attacking your argument, and you basically called him low IQ. Do you think because you didn’t use the word dumb or you thought it was a clever reply that this changes that it was an insult?
As for the other quote, my point wasn’t that you levied a direct insult, it’s that you completely misrepresented what was going on. There wasn’t any censorious intent nor was I spewing leftist dogma as a correction. I think saying I was doing something I think is bad that I wasn’t doing is insulting, even if you didn’t directly call me a woke dumby. You went into the meta of why people adopt certain positions instead of just dealing with the “technical argument”.
I also realize that yes it was amplify that was the primary target of the post, but I think that was also in bad form. What gives you the right to adjudicate that interaction and call it self-censorship? I doubt amplify felt the need to censor himself to me. My take on the situation is that amplify said something off the cuff that I think people take on as the default position, I thought it was wrong and pointed out why, and he came back and said that he wasn’t an expert on the science and was making a different point. Which fair enough, that all seems reasonable. You’re the one that recast that as indicative of a method of self-censorship that I wasn’t even saying isn’t a real phenomenon, but rather just didn’t apply.
You could tell him that continuing to pretend that he isn't mongidig will result in a ban of the Elway account. Then we would see if mongidig really lost his password.
Just give him the subtitle ‘Confirmed by mods as Mongidig’
No need for threats
Catching up and….yikes
I don’t post on 2+2 for a few days and in my absence rapey mchorseface goes completely unglued
Just got to the part where his theory is me and mclovin have sex all the time and trolling Mongo is our dirty talk
Hey, if I were into men I wouldn’t hate the idea
To be absolutely clear (not to the rapist cuz I don’t give a ****, but to Roco mostly) I have never once DM’d a mod to check on mongo/elway. It was just comically obvious
SRM actually posted the conversation. I don’t remember what Mongidig said. I let Mongidig speak through me because customer support never got back to him to retrieve his password. Mongidig and I work at the same company. He was originally gonna just post using my account but then decided to just go elsewhere. I created my account originally as a way to help Mongi contact
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Every word of this is ****ing incredible
Got to the end. I guess El Mongo fancies himself an assani fisher when really he’s just Mongidig
Moving on….
I don't know if jjou's percentages are correct. They may well be low. But I at least know where he got them from.https://www.eso.com/blog/ems-data-insigh...Your response basically amounts to: "Sure, I pulled those numbers completely out of my ass and they have no connection to reality, but the real problem is that you all didn't fact check someon
I have every confidence in the world Lozen will never address this forced sodomy, so it is my promise every time he posts I will quote this
If there was a pill people could take to not be trans, I’d be the first one advocating that they take it instead of transitioning
Feel the same way about gay people?
Doesn’t a dishonest argument connote that the person was being intentionally deceptive? If someone was just mistaken I don’t think I would call their argument dishonest myself.
I think of lying as an attempt to pass off false statements of fact as true statements of fact. If a person knowingly offered an argument that relied on faulty logic, I would feel comfortable calling the argument dishonest, but I wouldn't necessarily say that the person was lying.
In other words, I think there is a difference between sophistry and lying.
Just got to the part where his theory is me and mclovin have sex all the time and trolling Mongo is our dirty talk
Hey, if I were into men I wouldn’t hate the idea
To be absolutely clear (not to the rapist cuz I don’t give a ****, but to Roco mostly) I have never once DM’d a mod to check on mongo/elway. It was just comically obvious
As I said, I remembered you figuring out that Elway was mongidig, which of course is not a problem at all. I didn't remember anything about DMs. I'm fully prepared to believe that he just made that part up out of whole cloth.
I can't give under titles and my few requests have fallen on deaf ears
I could probably change my undertitle to "Elway is Mongidig" lol
