President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
Europeans are authoritarian minded, politically they are broken people and weak. Hence the two greatest and most oppressive evils the world has ever seen - Nazism and Communism - arose and were given life and power in Europe. Those with brains and individualism fled to America after the horror of big government authoritarianism (both left and right) wrecked much of the continen
fantastic post! we wouldn’t want to have a politics forum without examples of the most basic type of thinking.
Europeans are authoritarian minded, politically they are broken people and weak. Hence the two greatest and most oppressive evils the world has ever seen - Nazism and Communism - arose and were given life and power in Europe. Those with brains and individualism fled to America after the horror of big government authoritarianism (both left and right) wrecked much of the continen
Are you Inso or w/e that guy's name is?
I've just lived in Europe for many years (all across the continent, from Ukraine to Turkey) and seen the horrors of that thinking up close. The idea that European leftism is normal and not a total disaster is pretty ridiculous.
He is not Inso0. Ins0 had grown very disillusioned wth Trump by the time he left voluntarily.
He is not Inso0. Ins0 had grown very disillusioned wth Trump by the time he left voluntarily.
Quite. Inso0 was the Albert Speer of our little tribunal here. He even sentenced himself.
I've just lived in Europe for many years (all across the continent, from Ukraine to Turkey) and seen the horrors of that thinking up close. The idea that European leftism is normal and not a total disaster is pretty ridiculous.
Can you expound upon some of these horrors that you were unfortunate enough to witness first hand, since I assume you are not of the age where they were Nazism or Communism? Horrors like universal healthcare?
Can you expound upon some of these horrors that you were unfortunate enough to witness first hand, since I assume you are not of the age where they were Nazism or Communism? Horrors like universal healthcare?
I'm sure he was very unfortunate to witness 10 of the 15 happiest countries in the entire world.
Can you expound upon some of these horrors that you were unfortunate enough to witness first hand, since I assume you are not of the age where they were Nazism or Communism? Horrors like universal healthcare?
Sure.
- Societies with little initiative or soul left from decades of left wing destruction. Russia is the best example, but Poland got hit hard too, as did Bulgaria (curiously, Ukraine kept its soul)
- Endless architectural ugliness across a dozen countries from the left wing obsession with stamping out capitalism and class (rich people must be bad - sound familiar?). The old towns survived but leftist built era is so incredibly ugly and demoralizing
- The deep scars of person-against-person society from left wing paranoia and top-down control, which made neighbor spy on neighbor, killed all the intellectuals who could potentially resist the Great Truth of leftism (Poland for example and the massacres there), and left a society hollow of its best and brightest and hope, even now decades later.
- The pettiness and neuroticism and doublethink that infected society from living under these conditions still lives on (Russia is the worst example, but it's all across the Balkans and Poland). Ukraine surprisingly survived; their people have a very deep resilient soul.
People under leftism have had life and imitative and individuality beaten out of them, and it still exists in their cultures, their habits, the way they treat each other, and in the scars of their architecture. It will be many decades more before they get to something emotionally similar to what the free individualist societies have built.
Nearly everything that's good in Europe came from pre-leftist thought, the romantic, conservative, post-Catholic (Catholicism was another form of centralized control) periods of history. Nearly everything that's bad or ugly came from an obsession with state-enforced collectivism and control - Nazism is one form but the left wing version was much more prevalent and enduring and oppressed far more people. It's the same practical evil as Nazism, in a more palatable package ("protect the working class! take down the rich!") than "kill the inferior and have a master race" but with just-as-bad results on a bigger scale.
Sorry, when you said "Europe, all across the continent", I thought you were including countries west of the Berlin wall.
If your thesis is that communism is dogshit, you won't get much argument from me there; however, I strongly suspect that our definition of "communism" is different, and furthermore, that you are one of those Fox-news-watching RWNJ parrots whose definition of "communism" is "anything in politics I don't like". Apparently, thinking universal healthcare is a good idea and that Trump is a fascist cunt and a complete moron makes one a card-carrying commie these days.
Trump is not a fascist. Believing that makes you poorly tethered to reality (or perhaps weak on definitions?) and not having much of a mind of your own. It's a lefty mind virus on par with "Obama is a secret Muslim"
Universal healthcare is good and bad. It's not a panacea. It might be an improvement on the current US system - certainty the waste and gaming needs handling, probably by giant single payer is best - but the US already has universal health care for poor people, just not wealthier ones. US has a public/private mix really, which is great in some countries and bad in others. Australia and Canada and France do it well. UK and Poland (two I know well) are absolute dogshit. It depends.
It really depends. Being fascist about universal healthcare doesn't make you a communist, but it does show nuance lacking a little.
As for Western Europe, it is in serious decline, mostly from left wing thinking. Its GDP growth has been choked by excessive regulation (a left wing thing), anti-capitalist thinking (a left wing thing), anti-individualism (a left wing thing), anti wealth accumulation (a left wing thing), "green energy" insanity which did nothing to help the climate/CO2 at all while soaring energy prices and pushing industry elsewhere (a left wing thing), its military and deterrence greatly weakened (and hence Russia-Ukraine possible) by "Russia is fine"/militaries are right wing (a left wing thing - Merkel in particular, a far leftie, pushed much of that decay). Social cohesion and the safety of women have been affected badly in large areas by unskilled third world male immigration (a left wing thing - although you'd think the clowns would bring in women refugees from camps instead of fit men who get on boats and March thousands of miles if they were truly compassionate).
Yes it has some nice things. But it's paying for that heavily with its future. It's robbing its future to maintain unsustainable left wing priorities that mostly hurt all concerned (see above), and its suffering badly for it. Most of its advantage is historical (German engineering talent for example, large built infrastructure) and much of that is bleeding away fast (green energy for example and trust Russia has cost much German manufacturing; believing China is ok (more left wing thinking) has cost much more)
Yeah, you definitely sound like our dearly departed Luciom - "if it's bad, it's left wing, and if it's left wing, it's bad", so I'm not sure I'm the one with the mind virus here.
As for Trump being a fascist, this has already been debated to death on this forum, and I don't feel like re-hashing it. As a hint: "fascism" has a broad definition, and it would be more accurate to say "Trump has more fascistic and antidemocratic/authoritarian tendencies than one would hope for in the leader of a developed nation". But "fascist" serves fine as shorthand for that. Nobody in their right mind is saying that Trump is exactly Hitler or Mussolini, but there are certainly comparisons that can be made between them which are hard to ignore.
As with my previous post - the comparisons are certainly hard to ignore. If it's not him, might be a protege.
Yeah, you definitely sound like our dearly departed Luciom - "if it's bad, it's left wing", so I'm not sure I'm the one with the mind virus here.
Not at all. The left wingers are in control of Europe, so it's their decisions I talk about. I certainly don't think anything left is bad. But the one European place that had a right wing government for a long time that I know well is Poland, and it is absolutely thriving, economically as well as socially, from a much worse base than others. They call it the Polish miracle. It's not - it's an absence of harmful left wing policies.
pokerandfootlover,
Do you think of Mussolini as a left-wing politician and Berlusconi as a center-left politician?
I'm not asking whether the world calls Mussolini a fascist and Berlusconi a right-wing populist. I'm asking how you personally would describe those people.
Sorry, when you said "Europe, all across the continent", I thought you were including countries west of the Berlin wall.If your thesis is that communism is dogshit, you won't get much argument from me there; however, I strongly suspect that our definition of "communism" is different, and furthermore, that you are one of those Fox-news-watching RWNJ parrots whose definition of "
He also apparently thinks the Catholic Church is left-wing. He’s definitely a very specific type of right-wing libertarian brainrot.
He also apparently thinks the Catholic Church is left-wing. He’s definitely a very specific type of right-wing libertarian brainrot.
What I find odd is that most of the people living in these dystopian communist Western European hellscapes seem to quite like it there. I mean, they're certainly free to move elsewhere, yet most of them don't seem to want to do that. Probably all that leftist brainwashing in play.
He also apparently thinks the Catholic Church is left-wing. He’s definitely a very specific type of right-wing libertarian brainrot.
This is where the left/right distinction breaks down imo. The Catholic Church is obviously extremely conservative on so-called 'social' issues, but are rather liberal on economic issues in particular and on geopolitical cooperation generally.
Do you have a particular complaint about the way it was calculated or?
I'm not sure 'happiness' can be quantified like income or education-level.
Israel ranks at #8, but maybe they're 'happy' because almost nobody else gets to play in their sandbox.
Also, I might look at the details as to how they were able to get an accurate representation of each countries' citizens.
The folks in the movie Logan's Run were certainly happy...until they reached age 30.
He also apparently thinks the Catholic Church is left-wing. He’s definitely a very specific type of right-wing libertarian brainrot.
Are you deliberately lying or just bad at reading?
Nearly everything that's good in Europe came from pre-leftist thought, the romantic, conservative, post-Catholic (Catholicism was another form of centralized control) periods of history.
Leftism, pre-Lutheran Catholicism, far right, they're all same shades of the same ideology based centralized control structures that choke the life out of people and societies and economies. Doesn't matter whether it's state (left or right), or the Church, it's the same thing.
Speaking of which:
Not at all. The left wingers are in control of Europe, so it's their decisions I talk about. I certainly don't think anything left is bad. But the one European place that had a right wing government for a long time that I know well is Poland, and it is absolutely thriving, economically as well as socially, from a much worse base than others. They call it the Polish miracle. It
Orban is another example of a long term right wing government doing extremely well vs its peers, directly from avoiding disastrous left wing policies. So much so that reasonable Hungarians kept voting for him despite the creepy Russia support and clearly fascist tendencies (actual fascist, not claimed-Trump fascist).
I mean it's not even contentious that European left wing policies are making a mess of that continent economically for no good reason whatsoever.
What I find odd is that most of the people living in these dystopian communist Western European hellscapes seem to quite like it there. I mean, they're certainly free to move elsewhere, yet most of them don't seem to want to do that. Probably all that leftist brainwashing in play.
People aren't generally free to move elsewhere. It's not that easy. Even if t hey were most people stay where they are rooted for many reasons. And yes they like it - moderate wealth, civilized societies with low crime (nothing to do with leftism, it's long term cultural heritage), beautiful architecture from the pre-leftist periods, a deep sense of belonging from an ancestral home (something the US and Canada misses) extensive housing and amenities and old gardens from centuries of wealth and building.
None of this is from left wing policies. It's from romanticism and the fruits of the age of enduring social class structures. Not that these are inherently good, but their fruits are what make Europe lovely today and for centuries already.
And for what it's worth, I never said that either (that these are dystopian communist). This is what I said:
Those with brains and individualism fled to America after the horror of big government authoritarianism (both left and right) wrecked much of the continent
Luciom, ah sorry I mean "pokerandfootlover", what do you think should happen to anti-government protesters and agitators in an ideal society??
Nothing if they don't break any laws (ideal laws being close to US ones - freedom of speech and peaceful assembly). What do you think should happen?
I'm not Luciom by the way
