Daniel Negreanu's very own containment thread. All things Danny go here

I labeled him a losing player as I couldn’t contain my giddiness since there is overlap between the Ike fanboys and DN haters. And by any measure espoused in this thread Ike is more clearly a losing player than DN. It’s been 10 years, and the game has passed him by…

That said to some extent I do agree, variance is massive and he could theoretically be one of the more skilled players and still have the results shown. But the same exact thing can be said of DN who actually probably has had better results, hired a coach, and tried to embrace the new game.

No one gets anything like 1.5 in $300K buyins! He may have been selling action at even or a slight markup.

DN's game selection does suck. He seems to only play the WSOP and WSOP Bahamas and a few PGTs. He needs to play more and play more mixed game tournaments and ditch the high rollers. He doesn't play public cash games and I don't think he plays private games like Hellmuth. Not sure what he does. Guess he is rich and has the GG salary, so doesn't have to work.

His game selection doesn’t suck if he gets paid a very large GG salary to play in specific games that he plays and I highly suspect that plays a role, possibly directly outlined. They want him to play the 100K PLO high roller, not the $2, 500 Triple Draw Mix.

Yeah, that seems what he is doing, playing exactly what GG wants him to play and only that. I guess he is getting paid well to do that.

Yes and also consider this, twenty years or so ago he challenged the entire poker world to 500K HU freeze out in any game or their choice. He won slightly less than half so he lost a little money.

In a vacuum terrible game selection. But it probably led to his PokerStars sponsorship and other things led to GG. It’s how he got his sponsorships and probably how he keeps them.

You hear people claim that he sun run at right time, and while that’s true other people did as well. He’s put his own money on the line where he was a definite underdog, which is rare in poker since most try to bum hunt

He did that offer to play anyone HU at any game as part of a sponsorship deal with a casino. He must have been paid quite a bit for that. The Moss-Dandalos HU match in the 1940s brought a lot of customers to Binions and that is partly why Binion started the WSOP. The idea was more to attract slot and table game players than to build the poker room.

He had to be an incredibly dominant player to offer to do that, and a really strong HU and mixed game player. It would be impossible for anyone to make that sort of offer today.

The thing is now he is not nearly at the top level he was 20 years ago. He is not at that top level in NLHE and obviously there are better mixed game tournament players. I partly agree with the trash talkers that he is relying on his salary from GG and not trying to make a living playing poker. I disagree that he is a losing player. He is still a very strong tournament player, and probably a strong mixed game cash player if he wanted to pursue that.

No, the Wynn poker room was certainly not going to eat his losses. So while he did that since he could no longer able to play at Bellagio he assumed the risk.

He’s absolutely among the top players for 50K mixed and below or 10K below on anything. Did anyone say he was the top mixed game player in world? That just came out of nowhere and obviously there’s 1, 000 Grand Canyons between that and the usual “he’s a losing player past his prime” nonsense.

The Wynn was not going to eat his losses, but who knows how much a year the Wynn was paying him. It brought slot players into watch the matches and put Wynn in the news attracting who knows how many customers.

I agree exactly with "He's absolutely among the top players for 50K mixed and below or 10K below on anything." and that it is nonsense that he is a losing player.

Even if he was getting a very nice salary his money was still at risk. He could have played it safer and not open challenge the entire world to any game of their choosing. I think his deal was any range 250K to 1M. Instead he could have hosted games at non nose bleed stakes.

DN chipleader in 100K PLO, it’s his jam! He has quite rainbow of cashes so far, $600, $1, 000, 10K, 25K, and 50K

5th of 19 in $100K PLO with a little over 3 buyins at end of day. There is still late registration and it is possible he could not cash or that he will rebuy to try to buy a bracelet. He doubled up gambling wildly with AAxx versus AAxx allin preflop.

Has 11 cashes this WSOP, but down some huge amount, so unless he cashes big in this or something else will definitely be a losing player.

Well, there's always the Main event of course....

Man, talks of him and the Wynn bring back some good feelings about 2005-2006. What a great time to be right in the middle of it. It was so much more exciting

Also, nobody cares about those high rollers and if people arr winners or losers. You think your average losing rec playing 2-5 at the Venetian tonight really is gonna think "hmmm well if Ike Haxton cant even beat 100ks, maybe I should just quit playing"

Get the **** outta here dude

Lol exactly.

I probably missed it, but who was taking about Ike and it’s impact on the psyche of the average low limit NLHE player?

Your first statement is probably wrong though, on its own though it’s somewhat interesting that a hero and HOF candidate is a loser over past ten years. Does not seem to have “stood the test of time” which is specifically mentioned as a criteria.

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They don't realize he is a losing player down for the Series.

I don't think his challenge at Wynn had much to do with his endorsement contract with Stars. Then anyone with results on TV could get an endorsement contract. He just proved really valuable to Stars.

What his detractors don't understand is his job now isn't to play poker. It is to lure suckers on to a rigged poker site.

Of course you have no way to know that, but that challenge is and was unheard of, helped cement his status as top of the food chain

While many people got endorsement contracts he basically got THE contract. There was quite a chasm between what he was getting versus others.

He’s 3/15 now close to the bubble. Looks like he needs 4th or better to be up for the series.

Yeah, 4th of 14 on the stone bubble. If he doesn't take 4th or better, he will be down for the Series and definitely a losing player. Plus he is pretending to do well in the highest stake PLO tournament, which is his jam.

2nd of 11. Doubled up against winter set versus combo draw allin on turn. Several short stacks coming off the bubble should bust soon.

2/11, we’ll find out soon if he’s a winning player or a losing player

Btw Chidwick needs to finish top 6 of Main to be a winning player. Think he’s been firing multiple bullets in all of the various 250K, 100K, and 50Ks and completely shut out.

Cashed in every entry fee big and small PLO and PLO mix this year. Maybe its time to admit it is his jam.

Yup, jam confirmed. Something to say about final tabling both the $600 and 100K event. Talk about being able to beat every type of player.

Jason Koon is world class but last year saw him make a king high GTO river call against a timid housewife in day 1 of main. Guys like DN don’t make that call.