Daniel Negreanu's very own containment thread. All things Danny go here

The side bets have got to be substantial, in fact way more the first place prize. I seriously doubt a split of $250k will even register with Team DNegs. It's the side bets that's getting them giddy.

Looks like DN has the 25k locked up. My impression is that the winner clears over a million when you add all the side action; I assume I heard that from one of DN's videos.

I believe he said he had 18 side bets so it’s likely in the 1.3-1.5 mil range

However he did mention he had one that was astronomical but idr if he mentioned how much so it might be closer to 2 or higher but the floor is def around 1.3

2021 -$600k
2022 +$1,625k
2023 -$2,228k
2024 -$1,114k
2025: -$263k

Totally obvious from his latest results

As I explained, there are small edges and high variance. You can look at particular stats and ignore before that and after that this year. There are also other ways to look at it than those numbers which no one released.

It looks to the fish who watch his GG videos, like he is doing well winning the PPC and 100K PLO and final tabling a bunch of other high stakes tournaments, crushing PPT tournaments, etc. Now he released stats showing he was down for some years. So he isn't constantly crushing the tournaments every year. Probably not many other people are either. There is variance and small edges.

Even if he is breaking even in $50K+ tournaments, although I think he is doing better than that, he is still a good high stakes tournament player. He could certainly play lower and crush more consistently, but his $EV might be lower, aside from GG not wanting him to do that.

People who have issues with D-Negs have issues with THEMSELVES and are ****ing jealous. This is the saddest thread on the internet.

Naw you suck

Daniel said increasing the rake is good for the game. Complete non sense.

He probably has a minus ROI the last 10 straight world series, even this one!

Daniel sucks and you suck because you think he's great and he sucks !
You must really suck

Nice bite. Bite right ?

It's a bit disingenuous to add the Polk result in. Nobody is arguing he is a good HU online player.

You are not very bright are you? To make this statement up when someone just posted his last 5 years (with Polk added in?) and you can see his roi for this year on every vlog is just completely moronic.

just want to give danny his flowers for taking on polk in his format and being a gentlemen when he lost. he took a big shot he could afford and even though it didn't work he became a better player because of it. Solid example of a professional poker player.

He is up over $1M in the last 6 years, excluding the Polk match. Up about $10M in the 2010s, about $3M, excluding the One Drop 2nd place. He probably made huge profits with all those final tables in the 2000s decade.

He has about 13 WSOP cashes so far this year and each of the last 2 years. He crushes the PGTs, which are tough $10K-25K tournaments.

If you make $1M in 6 years, you are doing OK. There are obviously huge swings with high stakes tournaments, but I don't see how he is losing.

A lot of the people claiming he has a losing player or would be playing mid stakes without sponsorship have shut up after his latest wins and final tables. Now you have people resorting to statements which are provably false.

naw u suck. Nobody posts his roi.

His net winnings and or losses are posted.
His roi is most likely minus the last 10 years.
He's won a few big buy in events, which means you can make money
but still have a minus roi.

you suck

think about what you just said there dude

It is more the other way around. He was negative some years playing big buyin events. Maybe he shouldn't really be playing $100K+ NLHE events or he hasn't hit big in them yet. He has had recent cashes in big NLHE events but not big prizes from top finishes. So maybe with variance he would do better.

The nature of tournament play is you appear to be losing, but then make big scores. It was different playing online with a really high ROI and multitabling. Then you could win more consistently, but it still tended to involve big scores.

IMO his results would look a lot better without the sponsorship. He doesn't play that much. He doesn't leave Las Vegas much. The WSOP and the PGTs are in Las Vegas. He doesn't seem to play cash. I don't know if he studies GTO, final table videos and replays, RIO videos or whatever.

Also, he seems to have a bigger edge in mixed game / single other game MTTs than PLO MTTs and a bigger edge in PLO MTTs than NLHE MTTs. I still think he might be better off playing more mixed game and PLO MTTs. However, the high buyin MTTs are mostly NLHE, so it is harder to do.

He is 17th of 64, about 2.3x the original stack, in the $25K HORSE with about another 3 hours of late registration. If he doesn't cash, he is definitely a losing player.

You´re talking about average ROI bro. If he´s up, his return on investment is obv positive.

I´m a long time DN "hater", I just don´t like his personality but last year I said his vlogs are getting more watchable and this year even more so. I would never watch the parts from his home but the actual poker stuff is getting better and better. I think he´s maturing which is very good since he´s about to raise a child. I still don´t think PLO is his jam at all and he still thinks like any PLO noob that it´s a postflop game when it´s actually very much a preflop game. He plays the game like Isildur played when he started PLO. I think there are many mixed games that are actually his jam and PLO is probably his worst game.

I can't stand his vlogs, particularly the parts with his home life and his sham marriage.

I agree he is probably a better tournament player at some limit games than at PLO. Not sure if he is a good PLO cash player. However, he just won the $100K PLO, the biggest buyin PLO tournament out there. Maybe a lot of the players in it are NLHE players or PLO cash players, but it is the toughest field there is. Then he cashed in 3 other PLO tournaments this Series, and he has wins in PLO PGT tournaments. So even if his play seems bad to most here, he seems to do OK in PLO tournaments.

I did monkey
Your such a dumb monkey. No wonder you idiots follow him.

Here from google I didn't even read. Monkey. 10 thousand posts and
your that ****ing stupid.

Yes, it is mathematically possible to collect tournament prize money and still have a minus (negative) ROI.Return on Investment (ROI) is calculated by dividing your net profit by your total buy-ins. Because poker tournaments use a top-heavy prize structure (with the top 10-15% of the field taking the vast majority of the prize pool), your total buy-ins can easily exceed your gross winnings.For example, imagine you enter 100 different tournaments with a $100 buy-in each, for a total investment of $10,000.You manage to "cash" in 15 of those tournaments, winning an aggregate of $8,000.You have won money in tournaments and experienced the thrill of cashing, but your net profit is -$2,000.This translates to a minus ROI of -20%, calculated as:\(\frac{-\$2,000\text{\ (Net\ Profit)}}{\$10,000\text{\ (Total\ Buy-ins)}}\times 100=-20\%\)

ABC itt. Hendon tournament losses ftw.

Every time you register you lose the BI. You just get a shot at playing. Hendon subtracting the BI from "winnings" would be a good start, even if still looking way too favorable. With all the busts before the money, difficult to track, maybe not allowed.

Making money, what is that in poker lol.

Are you just saying you can cash in a couple tournaments and still have a negative ROI overall? Obviously that is true. But I think "make money" in how the phrase would be typically used means "make more money than you lost", and thus you tautologically only "make money" if you have a positive ROI.

You can "make money" while having a negative ROI if you are calculating ROI on a "number of buy-ins" basis where each buy-in counts equally regardless of the amount. In the sense that Daniel had a better ROI in the $600 NL/PLO where he finished 8th than in the $100k PLO where he won the bracelet.

Most people who say “make money” mean net up. If you’re net up then obviously your ROI is positive.

Because total net profit is tied to dollar amounts while Average ROI treats every tournament equally, you can achieve this by losing many cheap tournaments but winning a single expensive tournament.

I'm not going to calculate it I don't care, but Daniel is probably minus ROI the last 10 years at the world series.
He just won the big buy in events. Got super lucky too, one a high roller going running 33 to make quads
beating Aces FULL!!

What would you guys say if Daniel had a minus ROI at the world series over 10 years.
Or would you justify that if your lemming heads somehow

Then we'd look at 20 years. Or tell all the data isn't available, so it's anybody's guess.

To me Daniel is an extremely talkative man, suiting his current role. Cares about poker.

He actually kissed the bracelet he won.