President Donald Trump
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So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
He is not an American citizen so no. Bit if El Salvador wants to, they can send him back.
For su e you agree american taxpayers never gave any obligation to use any american state resources to improve the quality of life of any non citizen in general right? That's a very basic political tenet of non immigrationists.
Oh ok. So it’s a mistake, but they’re not going to do anything about it and no court can make them. Thought that’s what I said before, but whatever.
Do you want to amend your previous statement that “now that the mistake has been recognized el salvador will send him back.”?
Or put another way, would you like to wager on what will happen next with this guy?
Oh ok. So it’s a mistake, but they’re not going to do anything about it and no court can make them. Thought that’s what I said before, but whatever.
Do you want to amend your previous statement that “now that the mistake has been recognized el salvador will send him back.”?
Or put another way, would you like to wager on what will happen next with this guy?
Well maybe it’s a good thing ?
Maybe one day Luciom would be arrested in the U.S. by mistake , while seeing its relative , and be send to a foreign country under terrorism suspicion .
Doesn’t matter if it’s a mistake ?
He will say hey that’s the system so it’s ok …
Praising America while being backdoor by a big black man in his cell…
He is not an American citizen so no. Bit if El Salvador wants to, they can send him back.
For su e you agree american taxpayers never gave any obligation to use any american state resources to improve the quality of life of any non citizen in general right? That's a very basic political tenet of non immigrationists.
Even by your standards saying the government has no obligation to do anything to help a person they illegally deported, who is married to a citizen (and has a child who is a citizen), and who has a judge ruling stating that he is more likely than not going to be harmed by the country he has been deported to is egregiously psychopathic.
The fact that it appears the government is not just going to do nothing to help him but is in fact going to smear his name with falsehoods about being a "convicted MS-13 gang member" (JD Vance on twitter) when he is nothing of the sort - he actually has no criminal record at all - is a travesty.
On Monday night, immigration officials admitted to deporting a Maryland man to El Salvador due to an “administrative error.”
Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, who lived with his U.S. citizen wife and child, was identified as being on one of the three deportation flights to El Salvador last month that are the subject of several lawsuits. Immigration advocates claim those flown to El Salvador did not receive due process.
OOPSIES!
God damned soulless evil bastards in this administration and fanbase
So all the gov has to do to get rid of political dissidents now is to send them to El Salvador since the courts won’t have jurisdiction?
Almost like a detention camp in another country is a disgusting abomination.
Non citizens? i think they have no rights to stay in the USA outside the will of the government, they are guest of the US government and that can be changed at any time, and the goverment is fully in it's power to send any non citizen away and that's not nazism.
Even if when sent away they face certain death, that's still not nazism.
Btw that guy was a EL SALVADOR CITIZEN, he was sent to HIS OWN ****ING COUNTRY. Yes, the government should be allowed to arbitrarily send non citizens back to their own countries and that's not nazism, not even tangential.
Nazism is when you start doing that to sizeable portions of your CITIZENS. The only reason the gvmnt exists and has a mandate is to PRESERVE AND PROTECT CITIZENS, not anyone else, not any other human being in the world who is never worth anything at all in any national political consideration, ever, or he shouldn't (unless for the direct benefit of CITIZENS)
Oh ok. So it’s a mistake, but they’re not going to do anything about it and no court can make them. Thought that’s what I said before, but whatever.
Do you want to amend your previous statement that “now that the mistake has been recognized el salvador will send him back.”?
Or put another way, would you like to wager on what will happen next with this guy?
I will amend to "el salvador CAN send it back". If el salvador doesn't take it to el salvador, it was never at any point an american matter anyway being a non citizen, no responsability ever existed or could exist toward him from the USA government.
Even by your standards saying the government has no obligation to do anything to help a person they illegally deported, who is married to a citizen (and has a child who is a citizen), and who has a judge ruling stating that he is more likely than not going to be harmed by the country he has been deported to is egregiously psychopathic.
The fact that it appears the government is not just going to do nothing to help him but is in fact going to smear his name with falsehoods about being a "convicted
That person allegedly has been married to an american citizen for like 14 years.
He CHOSE not to become an american citizen. Everything that happens because he decided not to is on him, not anyone else.
The judge ruled he was going to risk to be harmed in 2019 (by local gangs). Not that this should ever inform american choices btw, it's outrageous that it is even discussed. But in full solitary in jail , he won't be harmed would he?
Nobody bats a thousand man.
Imagine if Lucio's dad or grandad or whoever it is in Cali was just shipped off to a ladyboy prison in Thailand because of Lucio's online posting
Even Sanders supporters are an abomination on this question. I can't imagine thinking that red is the correct answer here.
I think it depends quite a bit on the crimes committed. Let's say there has been a serial killer on the loose, one who rapes and tortures his victims, which number in the hundreds.
It is known through DNA evidence that the crimes have been done by one of these two people, but there is no way to know which. If the only choices were to execute both of them or set them both free to commit further crimes for years, I would choose executing them both.
Even if I were the innocent one being executed.
Just remembered the poll was specifically about going to prison, but I would still feel the same about that as protection for society.
I think it depends quite a bit on the crimes committed. Let's say there has been a serial killer on the loose, one who rapes and tortures his victims, which number in the hundreds.
It is known through DNA evidence that the crimes have been done by one of these two people, but there is no way to know which. If the only choices were to execute both of them or set them both free to commit further crimes for years, I would choose executing them both.
Even if I were the innocent one being executed.
Just
Interesting hypothesis.
What is the magic number you would stop at killing both ?
10 victims ?
25?
50 ?
99?
100+ u kill them both so no need to go further .
Interesting hypothesis.
What is the magic number you would stop at killing both ?
10 victims ?
25?
50 ?
99?
100+ u kill them both so no need to go further .
Probably 2, if I knew the guy was going to kill at least two more people, I would lock up or execute both suspects. It's two innocent lives versus one.
Probably 2, if I knew the guy was going to kill at least two more people, I would lock up or execute both suspects. It's two innocent lives versus one.
2 facking victims only ???
Well u must be a fervent adept for the capital punishment.
Man I’m glad I don’t live in your world ….
Well I would not live long anyway but still .
You surely don’t believe in that quote :
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
2 facking victims only ???
Well u must be a fervent adept for the capital punishment.
Man I’m glad I don’t live in your world ….
Well I would not live long anyway but still .
You surely don’t believe in that quote :
Really? You wouldn't give up your life to save two others? I would.
You would be more likely to live longer in my world, because you would be less likely to get murdered/
I think most people would do it at 5, which is the classical conundrum.
Are we all excited for Liberation Day?
Non citizens? i think they have no rights to stay in the USA outside the will of the government, they are guest of the US government and that can be changed at any time, and the goverment is fully in it's power to send any non citizen away and that's not nazism.
Even if when sent away they face certain death, that's still not nazism.
Btw that guy was a EL SALVADOR CITIZEN, he was sent to HIS OWN ****ING COUNTRY. Yes, the government should be allowed to arbitrarily send non citizens back to their o
I noticed you chose your words there very carefully.
Only once it happens to sizable portions of your citizens right?
So if Trump sends 100 citizens to certain death because they happen to be dual citizens to some authoritarian country, that still doesn’t qualify.
And by the way, under the constitution noncitizens still have certain rights to due process. The executive can’t just start overturning well-established statutes because they feel like it. And certainly not even Trump lawyers deny this guy had a right to be here.
I’m not buying this argument that we can act with impunity on permanent residents because they haven’t reached the end of the line on immigration. That would imply that they have no right to due process, which is a violation of the social contract we have with other countries. We certainly act as if our citizens have rights in other countries based off specific laws they have, and encourage our citizens to follow those laws. The countries we give warnings about are those that don’t respect the rule of law, which you are endorsing and saying it’s ok to be like those tin pot countries.
For someone who derives a fair bit of superiority complex for being a citizen of a Western nation I find that pretty laughable.
I noticed you chose your words there very carefully.
Only once it happens to sizable portions of your citizens right?
So if Trump sends 100 citizens to certain death because they happen to be dual citizens to some authoritarian country, that still doesn’t qualify.
And by the way, under the constitution noncitizens still have certain rights to due process.
It can't and ... it didn't. It's you who claimed a case among thousands of deportations of deporting the wrong person is "nazi america".
Keep in mind skipping due process to deport non-citizens isn't done by fiat here, rather by... applying a law (albeit a very old one). Is that law authoritarian? possibly. But it was used in the past and courts didn't consider it unconstitutional.
Is the law applicable here, given that the use-case is war or invasion, and certainly there is no official war? controversial, that's what courts exist to determine.
But you are depicting this as "nazism", while it isn't, it has nothing to do with nazism, and it wouldn't be nazism even if the admin on purpose abused that law and deported 10, 50, 200, 1000 people who shouldn't be deported. It would just be authoritarianism, which is far more common than nazism.
Liberation Day is possibly the dumbest idea ever touted by an American politician.
Pretty sure Lutnik is the only idiot still talking about Liberation Day
Trump is great at throwing everything against a wall to see what sticks and immediately abandoning something that doesn't immediately work. Lutnik and Musk aren't so good at this
