British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
Tory leadership contest is quickly turning into farce. Trump has backed Boris, which should be reason enough for anyone with half a brain to exclude him.
Of the other candidates Rory Stewart looks the best of the outsiders. Surprised to see Cleverly and Javid not further up the betting, but not sure the Tory membership are ready for a brown PM.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri...
Regarding the LD leadership contest, Jo Swinson is miles ahead of any other candidate (and indeed any of the Tory lot). Should be a shoe in.
Finally, it's Groundhog Day in Labour - the more serious the anti-Semitism claims get, the more Corbyn's cronies write their own obituary by blaming it on outlandish conspiracy theories - this week, it's apparently the Jewish Embassy's fault...
Tories gambling woes deepen...possible Streisand effect coming?
"Privacy rights"? As far as I'm aware we don't have privacy rights in the UK, merely a requirement for the media to ensure that publication is in the "public interest", which appears to be the case here.
She's relying on Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, reproduced as Article 8 of the Human Rights Act 1998.
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/huma...
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/199...
I suppose she means that she's married to former Conservative campaign director Tony Lee, who's been suspended, and she's therefore protected by the right to a private family life. But it seems unlikely that the allegation of placing a bet based on inside information, a potential criminal offence under Section 42 of the Gambling Act 2005, and therefore a matter of legitimate public interest where a high-ranking public servant is involved, would conflict with any such right.
She's relying on Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, reproduced as Article 8 of the Human Rights Act 1998.
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/huma...
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/199...
I suppose she means that she's married to former Conservative campaign director Tony Lee, who's been suspended, and she's therefore protected by the right to a private family life. But it seem
Maybe a dull point but as you say it's the Human Rights Act 1998 which would remain in force even if we left the ECHR.
I think it's mainly a language or family thing. If they were French speakers or had family there they'd want to settle in France I guess. What is deeply, deeply nuts is that people voted for Brexit mainly to control immigration and even that part of it has been a spectacular failure. Also deeply, deeply nuts is the UK's foreign policy being responsible for many of those displaced people and the UK now being unwilling to offer them a home. Turns out there's a cost to painting a quarter of the wo
It's nothing to do with the British Empire, which ceased to exist two generations ago. You're doing the usual left-racist thing of denying all moral agency to 'brown' people and treating them as idiot automatons who can only do what white people prompt them to do.
I didn't think we were talking about people from safe countries trying to migrate in contravention of immigration law in the target country.
Lektor was talking about the small-boat passengers. That's people from France, a safe country, who pay very large sums to the people-smuggling mafia -- a very big business -- for seats in those boats, in order to violate UK immigration law.
If someone is in France he is not at direct threat of life, nor under persecution, unless he is allergic to frog meat.
Which means that any attempt to move from there to any third country in violation of that country rules is a voluntary criminal act with no moral or practical justification, which should deny him or her right of asylum not only in the third country, but everywhere.
Same applies to anyone moving from any country where his life isn't directly threatened nor his basic human rights denied ofc.
Btw encouraging criminal behavior is itself a crime in most countries so any leftist found to encourage people to criminally enter a country should be arrested (where it is illegal to encourage criminal behavior)
At least the guardian (opinion piece) admits it.
Then ofc you can cheer it as a positive sure, opinions can always vary.
But they don't deny it's happening @jalfrezi
It's nothing to do with the British Empire, which ceased to exist two generations ago. You're doing the usual left-racist thing of denying all moral agency to 'brown' people and treating them as idiot automatons who can only do what white people prompt them to do.
No, that's not what was being said.
At least the guardian (opinion piece) admits it.
Then ofc you can cheer it as a positive sure, opinions can always vary.
But they don't deny it's happening @jalfrezi
Some leave, some stay, I don't really care.
But I'm glad if people like this family go to prison:
Four members of the UK's richest family have received prison sentences for exploiting staff brought in from India to work at their Geneva villa.
Prakash and Kamal Hinduja, as well as their son Ajay and his wife Namrata, were found guilty of exploitation and illegal employment by a Swiss court and handed sentences ranging from four to four-and-a-half years.
I'm glad immigrant criminals pay for their crimes as well yes
Why do you want to punish immigrants more than British people?
And how do you know they're immigrants?
Why do you want to punish immigrants more than British people?
And how do you know they're immigrants?
what you wrote was about people immigrated to Switzerland.
or visiting there perhaps, anyway foreigners in Switzerland.
yes I think the laws should punish foreigners more than citizens.
we might have a reason to try to recover our own, and use the legal system not only to deter and punish; while for foreigners, we owe them absolutely nothing so punishment should be way more draconian with no regard for their welfare, and exclusively to minimize their chance to ever want to do crime while in our country, and to get rid of them for good when they do.
edit: I googled the name and they are swiss, so my bad, I thought they were British from your mistaken quote.
why did you tell me their nationality wrong?
I think this is probably wrong - do you mean laws or sentences? In other words, should we have laws that target immigrants, or should the same laws apply but stiffer sentences?
I assume you mean the latter as you talk about punishment - Ideologically (for me at least), laws are not about "punishment", but maintaining order, and prisons should be rehabilitative more so than a punishment.
As for dealing with immigrants more harshly, it's a no but I understand the sentiment. If it's laws targeting foreigners - Yikes!
Closed list true. Open list is pretty good though.
Voters, choose a party list and then choose whom they support from that list, and the candidates with most support take the seat. Parties generally put some independents to attract extra votes too.
STV is still better.
I think this is probably wrong - do you mean laws or sentences? In other words, should we have laws that target immigrants, or should the same laws apply but stiffer sentences?
I assume you mean the latter as you talk about punishment - Ideologically (for me at least), laws are not about "punishment", but maintaining order, and prisons should be rehabilitative more so than a punishment.
As for dealing with immigrants more harshly, it's a no but I understand the sentiment. If it's laws targeting f
I mean laws (which usually in europe have a sentencing range as well). Same identical crime , much higher range for foreigners. Prison has no reason to be rehabilitative for foreigners.
And btw foreigners shouldn't stay in national prison. They should be deported and get into prison in their country, the hell you pay for them for years. Automatic deportation after any criminal sentence should be a very basic idea.
If for some reason the original country doesn't agree and doesn't imprison the person, who cares he is not in the country anymore lol. Ofc death penalty if he ever tries to re-enter. Shoot on sight.
"Citizen" has many meanings. Some people on visas are eligible to vote, others with indefinite leave to remain don't.
