Israel/Palestine thread

existence is resistance

Ok, if you intentionally stay in order to protect Hamas by acting as a human shield, you are arguably losing your protected status. Intentionally entering into a combat role without weapons seems like a bad idea. Hiding weapons and ammo for Hamas in civilian areas seems like a bad idea. In general staying in a place where Hamas is active in order to be killed instead of a Hamas operative seems like a bad idea.

But sure let’s justify these things with some cute slogans basically asking citizens to martyr themselves.

Give credit where it is due, this is a pretty good troll. But the fact Palestinian's in Gaza even have carte blanche to troll the IDF like this indicates that most of the pro Islamist hyperbole of the campaign is not very accurate.

FWIW, Hamas has spent the last year actively prohibiting Palestinians from leaving active battle areas. And as Hamas has been weakened and lost control, Palestinians with their feet are showing most of them dont actually want to be Hamas human shields.

Reason #10,000 why the rest of the world should not be doing everything in their power to help Hamas re-assert control over Gaza, as they are.

this video is from the West Bank. I remember when it came out.

It's being obviously recorded.

Even the worst view of the idf wouldn't have them killing a kid sitting in a chair whilst on camera

What "protected status?" Murdering civilians en masse has been fair game for Israel for a year now.

so long as you declare it a closed military zone and say that everyone there is an intentional human shield then its fine. this was the main way that Hamas screwed up the Nova Festival. they forgot to check that box.

Nice one. Another slogan to add to the repetoire. We got

“Existence is resistance”
“The oppressed have a right to resist their oppressors”
“It’s not a war it’s a genocide”
“The genocide didn’t start on October 7th”
“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”
“Zionist colonizer babies”
“Rapes didn’t happen”

Anything I’m missing?

Well no, Palestinians are the oppressor so they’re not allowed to resist. Since zionists are the oppressed class they can resist by any means necessary. Long live the anti-colonial IDF!

If you mean honest in that their stated aim is to wipe Israel off the map, and they make no apologies for this, or that they diligently recorded the murder and torture that took place on 7/10, and uploaded it to the internet as proof of their atrocities, then I guess you're right.

You really think if the camera was off they would shoot the kid?

I don't think that.

Nonetheless the fact they didn't while obviously being recorded still tells us ~nothing

That account is a known alt right source that's been proven to have propagated fake news in the past so it's hardly a valid source

the alt right is super-against Ukraine and very pro Putin, and not in love with Israel at all, that account is ultra pro-Ukraine and pro Israel so the definition isn't reasonable at all

They're Polish, their views are not going to line up with the foreign policy of the alt right in other nations. They were notably far right before Russia invaded.

Yeah. Polish don't like Russians due to a spot of bother in the past. So even far right Polish will be pro Ukraine. There's also the part about their proven propagation of fake news in the past so again aren't a reliable source.
Also Giorgia Meloni is pro Ukraine and is still far right despite your apparent disagreement on this so such things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive anyway.

ye "far" in some sense yes, but not alt. Like you know, normal, very coherent, actual right.

Yeah you are correct, far right.

Woke up to atrocious images of Gazan dads holding their young daughters whose heads were half missing. Would any on #teamIDF like to see them?

Lol at Meloni being "far right", she didn't even touch abortion at all. If being like the median european in 1995 with regards to immigration is "far right" that's just insane of a definition.

But anyway even if "far right", that's not ALT right. Alt -right is ultra antisemitic, pro Putin, completly anti-neocon, and in europe they hate the USA

I used to work with some Poles and made a few trips to Poland. I'd say that's putting it mildly, lol.

She's been part of the Italian neo fascist movement since she's 15 so yeah she's absolutely fa right and we've had this convo before, I get you disagree and that's ok. She's still far right. I don't see any difference between far and alt right and feel you're talking semantics, but you do have my apologies if I offended your far right sensibilities.

I worked with many of them myself over the years and all of them without exception absolutely despised Russia,I was indeed being mild with my comment. 😀