Israel/Palestine thread

they also aren't an illegal state

victor and the people like him have to spread fake lies and use buzzwords over and over and dumb people start believing them

genocide
apartheid state
illegal state
occupation
zionist propoganda
genocide

it is all bullshit

It isn't an active significant threat, but that's different from saying it is eradicated in full permanently with 0% chance of ever (100+ years) coming back in any way or form again.

The latter requires 100x the efforts and that's what is currently going on. Israel needs to guarantee in absolute term 10 7 or anything close to that CAN NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN at any cost. That requires a lot of killing of anyone with any animosity toward Israel in any neighboring country among many other things.

Hamas went into israel and committed atrocities against civilians for the sake of committing atrocities against civilians.
Israel went into gaza with the intent of destroying hamas and all of it's capabilities. Civilians have unfortunately died like they do in any war but that is not the purpose of what israel is doing. That is why it is not a genocide

the highest international courts in the land ruled that Israel is doing apartheid and is illegally occupying land in Palestine (and the Syrian Golan for that matter). its pretty much the opposite of "fake lies and buzzwords."

maybe take it up with them.

My whole timeline is reporters who say they are investigating the Assad regimes prison compounds, and what went on there is worse then they even imagined. It is interesting how almost everyone in the world that is so per formatively outraged at Israel is so indifferent about this. If anything they are upset the human torture and murder has ended.

It really goes to show human beings aren't really wired to care about random people thousands of miles away. And most of the outrage crew doesn't really care about the Palestinians either. The outrage is ideologically driven, by some combination of antisemitism or anti-"white" animus.

And again, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Obama/Biden thought it was a good idea to allow Russia and Iran to prop up this regime for the last 16 year, when it organically should have fallen a long time ago.

It is still risky. Hamas is exceptionally cruel, even by Jihadi standards, so if you stand up to them and lose you and your family will be tortured and killed.

Hamas is pure Evil. They are responsible for all of these deaths. If they cared about the people, they would have
built bomb shelters for their civilians
not have civilians home hostages
not use civilians as shields
surrendered
given back the hostages

Israel is not committing genocide. Hamas can surrender and give back the hostages today. They can give back the bodies of all of the hostages that they brutally murdered.

It is a very sick world view to think that while everyone is trying to destroy israel, when israel fights back and tried to destroy their weapon capabilites they are the evil ones

Hezbollah is basically destroyed because they attacked israel unprovoked
Assad is basically gone because Iran has spent so many resources on hezbollah (and hamas) that they gave up

Eventually, When the Saudi-Israel alliance becomes official, hopefully the Palestenian government and Syrian government and maybe even the Lebanese government (if hezbollah is basically non-existent at the time) can be a part of it, and Iran will become an afterthough

those courts are illigitamate

Countries that are not part of the International Criminal Court (ICC) include: the United States, China, India, Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Indonesia, Ethiopia, Iraq, and many others, as they have not signed or ratified the Rome Statute, the treaty that establishes the ICC

The United States and some other countries are not part of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) or the International Criminal Court (ICC):
United States
The US withdrew from compulsory jurisdiction of the ICJ in 1986. The US also never joined the ICJ's predecessor, the PCIJ, despite support from multiple presidents.
China, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Qatar, and Yemen
These countries have not signed the declaration recognizing the ICJ's jurisdiction.
Egypt, Iran, Russia, Sudan, and Syria
These countries signed the Rome Statute establishing the ICC, but their legislatures never ratified it.
Burundi and the Philippines
These countries joined the ICC but later withdrew.
All United Nations members are automatically parties to the ICJ's Statute, which means they can bring cases before the court. However, that doesn't necessarily mean the ICJ has jurisdiction over them

tldr i know

here are the cliffs

There is never outrage when an arab leader mistreats arabs

this isnt about mistreatment

it is about not wanting there to be a Jewish State

just an utterly insane statement. they arent anywhere close to ISIS or Al Qaeda or even the Taliban.

in fact, they arent even close to Israel. Israeli jails are overflowing with Palestinians, including Israeli citizens, being tortured for facebook posts.

they steal their aid now. I know you deny this but it is true

they do nothing to protect their citizens. Nothing. If they get killed it is good PR for them.

Israel requires every home to have a bomb shelter. They have air sirens. They have systems in place to intercept missles

they care about their People. Hamas does not

Which one is pure evil?

and no, Israel as a whole does not want to kill civilians.

they have always tortured their own people

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2...

October 7 would have been easy to prevent. All Israel had to do was station one infantry brigade along the Gaza border. Israel forgot that Hamas existed and left the Gaza border almost completely undefended. Not sure what the point of conscripting almost everyone is if you are not going to use your massive army to defend your borders.

not disputing that. just saying they do a lot less torture than Western proxies like Israel and HTS.

LOL. The metro area I live in has a higher population than Israeli Jews (we of course have to discount millions of Israeli Arab citizens aren't conscripted). There is nothing massive about the Israeli military.

And no one is disputing October 7th was a security failure on Israel's part.

ISRAEL opened the border with gaza so that gazans can work
in 2022 there were 20,000 work permits
in 2023 they raised it to 150,000 work permits

there had been no issues. Israel decided to let an additional 130,000 people have a better life, and loosened the border

and what happened?

Do you think Amnesty International is a reliable source? Because... you're not going to like what they have to say about Israel's conduct.

you are blaming israel for not being secure enough instead of blaming hamas for committing terror but you are unhappy with israel's response

okay

do you have anything productive to add, or did you just stop by as usual to make some trolly sarcastic posts about israel bombing **** while ignoring what caused this?

The IRGC came out with a statement, basically blaming Assad. They said they had intelligence of what was going to happen, told Assad to act, and he did nothing.

That being said, they actually praised the Assad regime for being the only Arab power to actually recapture land from Israel. Apparently the Assad regime briefly recaptured the Quneitra area of Golan in 1973, before Israel ultimately re-recaptured it a few days later. And then it was turned into a UN controlled buffer zone (Israel currently controls the area FWIW).

Just goes to demonstrate what a giant L the last 80 years has been for the anti-Israel belligerents, that recapturing a province for a few days is really the most they have to show for 80 years of belligerence.

assad couldnt act because iran was too weak to help him, so russia saved his ass

What's going on in here these days? Has Israel murdered enough innocents for this thread's Zionists to renounce it? I'll be excited to find out!!

When Palestinians approached the "border" "fence" during the Great March of Return unarmed protests in 2018-2020, they were shot at, with live ammunition, leading to hundreds of deaths and injuries of non-combatants.

If you continuously kill, abuse, and exploit a captive population for decades on end, an October 7th-type event is bound to happen, regardless of how stringently Israel enforces its borders or whatever.

(I'm not necessarily saying you're arguing otherwise, I don't know you, just thought it should be said)

No. Some people think that flattening Gaza and murdering a hundred thousand Palestinians is a good way to prevent an Oct 7 attack. I was just pointing out that you could also prevent an Oct 7 attack by stationing a few thousand soldiers near the Gaza border.

A central tenet of progressive ideology is that "brown" people have no moral agency. Only "white" people have agency, and brown people are just blameless victims of "white supremacy."