Israel/Palestine thread
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I wonder if it’s a good reason that because some horrible people in another country doesn’t care about their own citizens and human life , it should be a green light to not care either about human life .
Let’s just be as bad as them hoping to gather sympathy to our cause .
If the enemy so bad , doing the same thing doesn’t make you good .
Great plan tho …
What are you talking about? Israel has gone thru extreme lengths to minimize civilian casualties and for decades have done quite a lot for them. We gave 100k of them jobs that were 2x any other salary they could get. We gave them free utilities, aid, tried to set them up with industries when we fully left Gaza in '05. Left behind tens of millions in greenhouses and desalination plants that could have sustained their food needs and been a good source of employment. Within the first yr they tore it all down to scrap for weapons, tore up all the water piping to retrofit rockets, and then elected Hamas whose platform was "destroy Israel".
Every year our hospitals have provided the best medical care practically in the world to thousands of them free of charge. They thanked us by occasionally hiding bombs on stretchers.
Even still we alert their civilians at least twice often 3 times about incoming attacks. We urge them to go to relief zones that we provide for them. There is only so much we can do tho, their leaders chose to wage war this way and have refused our continued effort to get them to surrender and return our hostages so the war is over. They choose everyday to continue the fight.
The difference is we go thru painstaking lengths to only attack military targets. Whereas they only attack civilian ones, On 10/7 it was basically their first time ever that they attacked IDF when they came into the observation post/base that had a dozen women IDF who were not trained for combat and carried no weapons. The other 95% of their day was spent on civilians.
This isn't really an issue you can be in the middle on. You're of course free to your opinion, but this conflict has grown to re
I will tell u a secret, being good people is harder then being bad people.
So if u want to stop being good people that fine .
But don’t come here and ask to be perceived as good people when you stop being and focusing on eradicating many innnocent people because it’s just easier shrug .
What are you talking about? Israel has gone thru extreme lengths to minimize civilian casualties and for decades have done quite a lot for them. We gave 100k of them jobs that were 2x any other salary they could get. We gave them free utilities, aid, tried to set them up with industries when we fully left Gaza in '05. Left behind tens of millions in greenhouses and desalination plants that could have sustained their food needs and been a good source of employment. Within the first yr they tore i
Keep telling yourself that and ramp up the body bags until you are satisfied.
how many you killed up to know , compare to Jews killed ?
Hopefully you won’t eradicate them all before they changed their mind .
Or better yet , you actually focused on the real enemy , those in power .
Actually my racist friend, you have it backwards. The Israelis want peace and normalization.
Is that why Israel invites fatsos from Brooklyn to move into Palestinian homes and take them over? Because they want peace and normalization? Story does not check out,
Nobody wants to keep sending sons and daughters to war (because it's everyone's sons and daughters more or less), it's exhausting. It's a drain on the economy too.
It is the economy. Israel's sells weapons and the instruments and technology of oppression around the world after they test it live on their favorite guinea pigs, the Palestinians in Gaza. It's kinda like what the Nazis did to their prisoners, how they used them in experiments, except it's being done for profit. It's like Israel said yeah torture is good, but how can we make money off it?
Predictions aren't facts, but self serving excuses for immorality are somehow even less factual than a standard non-fact.
Israel is choosing a final showdown. The final showdown the Trump presidency affords them.
You have it backwards again - the Zionists could afford Trump and they bought him. They changed MAGA to MIGA. It's through naked corruption that you get your racist mass murdering, not that it matters to those who just want blood.
It's 'once and for all' again
Palestinian ideology is not based on mass murder and land theft so I dont think they are in the same boat.
Sorry, busy day today. They're in the same boat because one is going to win and one is going to lose and the loser is going to lose really bad. They are both fighting for self preservation. Will take some extraordinary leadership on both sides to avoid this.
Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz threatens Gaza civilians. This is genocidal intent.
We must have very different definitions of genocide. That sounds like he’s telling Hamas to release hostages or else tensions will ramp up again. How is demanding innocent hostages to be released genocidal?
I will tell u a secret, being good people is harder then being bad people.
So if u want to stop being good people that fine .
[B]But don’t come here and ask to be perceived as good people when you stop being and focusing on eradicating many innnocent people because it’s just easier shrug .[/b[
That's just utter bullshit. Israel could turn Gaza into a parking lot tomorrow if they wanted to. They wouldn't bother giving warnings either. When Hamas stop using the Gazan population as human shields, there'll be less civilians killed.
That's just utter bullshit. Israel could turn Gaza into a parking lot tomorrow if they wanted to. They wouldn't bother giving warnings either. When Hamas stop using the Gazan population as human shields, there'll be less civilians killed.
thats is a freakn disgusting point for justifying to kill innocent people....
you think only israel have massive striking power ?
many countries have 100X the striking power of israel, do you see them eradicating people like they do ?
stop it...
anyway the point still stand, i do not know how those that say what israel still doing today is ok but one thing is for sure, i dont know what the number is for them but one jew isnt worth unlimited human life...thats for sure.
drink your cup of blood while u can .
pS: ill bet a hundred $ once this is over, it wont be over for ever...another $h!t will happen and another event like this will happen again and again.
The problem for Hamas now is that they don't have many cards to play as the hostage numbers have dwindled and/or are just left with dead hostages to bargain with (and who knows for the remaining hostages that are thought to be alive they may be dead too) - so they haven't got much of a bargaining chip now. Good on Israel for painting them into a corner but also Trump with that threat before they did release the last lot of hostages as that got a few more released. Now Hamas is just screwed - can't believe they haven't just given up but oh well seem to want to die for a cause they think is good
thats is a freakn disgusting point for justifying to kill innocent people....
you think only israel have massive striking power ?
many countries have 100X the striking power of israel, do you see them eradicating people like they do ?
stop it...
anyway the point still stand, i do not know how those that say what israel still doing today is ok but one thing is for sure, i dont know what the number is for them but one jew isnt worth unlimited human life...thats for sure.
drink your cup of blood while
You said Israel were focused on eradicating innocents, this is a blatant lie from you. I'm not justifying anything I'm telling you the cold hard reality of the situation. Maybe you think Israel should just meekly allow itself to be attacked due to their attackers cowardly using their own people as shields, but Israel obviously won't stand for that, nor should they.
That doesn't mean I'm happy with civilians being killed, it just means I recognise the reality of a sickening situation. And within such a horrible context israel have actually attempted to minimise civilian casualties. They most certainly aren't focused on eradicating innocents because it's easier, again they wouldn't bother giving warnings if that was the case and again this is a contemptible lie from you and you're better than this.
And yeah this has been going on all our lives and will probably continue long after we're all dead
Untrue.
Israel became aware that Hamas was very comfortable waiting, and not returning the hostages. There's a lot you don't understand about this conflict.
Hamas already gave up over 100 hostages as part of the last deal. They had a deal to release more before Israel broke its word and resumed bombing. None of this is even a little controversial. Even the MSM doesn't deny that Israel backed out of it.
Now you're reduced to inventing stories out of whole cloth to rationalize your blind obedience to Bibi and his war machine.
Hamas already gave up over 100 hostages as part of the last deal. They had a deal to release more before Israel broke its word and resumed bombing. None of this is even a little controversial. Even the MSM doesn't deny that Israel backed out of it.
Was part of the deal for Hamas to masquerade the hostages when they were being released or to hand over the wrong bodies?
Was part of the deal for Hamas to masquerade the hostages when they were being released or to hand over the wrong bodies?
Again, you can fabricate whatever excuses you need to tell yourself, but there's zero debate that Israel broke the terms of the hostage deal. The mainstream press is shockingly upfront about this.
Was part of the deal for Hamas to masquerade the hostages when they were being released or to hand over the wrong bodies?
do you think they have DNA testing in Gaza right now?
also, what do you think happens to a a roomful of bodies after a 2k pound bomb gets dropped on them and they are left under rubble for a year and a half?
ffs, in Palestine they routinely just throw all the remains in a garbage bag and weigh it to determine casualty count.
Spoiler
Yeah but those aren’t human remains DUCY
We must have very different definitions of genocide. That sounds like he’s telling Hamas to release hostages or else tensions will ramp up again. How is demanding innocent hostages to be released genocidal?
Wut? He explicitly said he would attack people other than the ones holding hostages -- the civilians.
“Residents of Gaza, this is your final warning. . . . What follows will be far harsher, and you will bear the full cost."
“Take the advice of the U.S. President: return the hostages and kick out Hamas, and new options will open up for you — including relocation to other parts of the world for those who choose. The alternative is destruction and total devastation.”
He's ordering the people who don't have the guns -- civilians -- to overthrow Hamas or else.
"tensions will ramp up again" is quite the spin on disarticulated children.
He's ordering the people who don't have the guns -- civilians -- to overthrow Hamas or else.
"Overthrow Hamas, and we'll allow you to be deported to who knows where!"
What a sick ****ing joke. You cannot tell me Israel is serious about peace if these are the terms they are offering. Overthrow an army of militants and *then* we take your home and send you on a modern Trail of Tears?
Trolly, Hamas released the final 6 living hostages from phase one Feb 22.
Israel resumed attacks when, bout 48h ago? Bit more?
It had been almost a MONTH since a living person got released. Surely you see the obvious that everyone in the Shin Bet and cabinet saw.
Do you think Hamas did everything they could here to make phase 2 move along with living bodies going the other way? A MONTH
They know their remarks are frivolous and open to challenge
If you think about it, once the USA under Trump (and Russia) frankly don't give a **** what you do, and arm you to the teeth, of course Bibi is going to shoot his shot to rid the planet of Hamas. The restraint Biden put on Israel was the only thing that kept them from their first ever total victory (in theory).
Once living hostages stopped coming back, this became the most obvious call in the world for Bibi. And I'm not even talking about the President running videos of Dubai on the Med, lol.
All of this is going about exactly as you'd expect for Bibi/Trump. Not saying any of us make these calls. But it can't be a shock to see this go exactly as it is.
Do you think Hamas did everything they could here to make phase 2 move along with living bodies going the other way? A MONTH
Hamas fully complied with the terms of the ceasefire that both parties agreed to, Israel did not. You can spin this any way that makes you feel okay with yourself, but Bibi is the one who broke his word and derailed the best chance of seeing the hostages returned. Obv the hostages are of no use to Netanyahu when they've been returned and he can't use them as a pretext to continue the bloodbath.
