Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Tens of thousands of Israelis have taken to the streets to call for a new ceasefire in Gaza and to protest against what they say is an attack on the country’s democracy by the rightwing governing coalition of Benjamin Netanyahu.
Key highways have been blocked and police have made at least 12 arrests amid heated scenes in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. More protests were expected in the coming days as the campaign “gathers momentum and energy”, campaigners said.
Israelis moving to live in Europe ‘rejuvenating’ Jewish communities
Research shows dramatic reversal of decades of net outflow to Israel, as new arrivals bring cultural influences
Israelis making a new home in Europe have become vital to previously declining Jewish communities on the continent, boosting numbers, bringing a range of cultural influences and marking a fundamental change in the relationship between the diaspora and the Jewish state, research has revealed.
A report released on Wednesday by the London-based Institute for Jewish Policy Research will detail for the first time a dramatic reversal of decades of net outflow to Israel from Jewish communities in Europe.
“We can say that culturally and demographically there is a real turning point. Possibly the end of an era,” said Dr Daniel Staetsky, the report’s author. “The founders of the state of Israel would never have imagined that it would be Israel that would be rejuvenating European Jewish communities, not the other way around.”
Recent Israeli government statistics show accelerating emigration from Israel, driven by factors including political polarisation, the high cost of living, the impact of wars in Gaza and Lebanon, and security concerns after the bloody Hamas raid into Israel of October 2023 and Iranian attacks.
The biggest destination remains the US but many of Europe’s Jewish communities have also received a significant demographic boost, with some that have been shrinking for decades due to an elderly population and a low birthrate now growing again.
I would have preferred the hostages being released and Hamas relinquishing their leadership and Gaza being less flat.
Not sure the Israeli government is all that interested in the hostages, though it is clearly interested in further flattening Gaza.
Not sure anyone here is interested in the hostages either, just more dead Palestinian kids please.
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oh I forgot, he also called Hamas "pretty nice guys"
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otoh, he also called them "guys like us" which would make them some of the most evil people in history so I am conflicted.
lol. Oh you sweet summer child.
They were tying to butter HAMAS up to get some concessions. But it failed miserably. The envoy wasn’t fired for trying to butter Hamas up. He was fired because it didn’t work at all. Complete failure. They offered didly squat.
They are trying something similar with Putin, to similar results so far.
Imagine being so naive that you will believe literally any political motivated propaganda that plays to your own biases,
why do they need concessions from Hamas? I thought they already negotiated a deal.
its bc they tore up the deal and tried to strong arm Hamas into sending back the POWs for nothing so they could resume the genocide.
Not sure the Israeli government is all that interested in the hostages, though it is clearly interested in further flattening Gaza.
Just think. All Hamas had to do to thwart these plans was not do 10/7 and not hold hostages for 1.5 years in deployable conditions.
By the reckoning of most of the posters in this thread, you would think Hamas worked for the Netanyahu administration, as much as they allegedly are playing right into their hands.
I have an idea. How about they stop doing this. Give back the hostages and leave Gaza?
right, and all that slave needed to do was stay on the plantation and enjoy his free room and board.
Guys did Trump bring peace to Gaza? Asking for a friend
that stink aint wearing off you guys rafki. this is Biden's genocide.
Sorry Victor, not so. And Ill tell you why no matter how hard you want to deflect.
Hamas couldn't give the last hostages back, and no sane person who understands this conflict can deny it.
Likewise, Bibi's government cannot actually function (aka exist) if they don't finish the job. The far right demand it.
Simultaneously, Trump and the new US administration don't care at all what happens to Gaza. Truly. Everyone can die there, they won't say a peep. That is the cold hard truth. And they'll give Israel every single weapon to make it happen. Also a fact.
With Trump's blessing and weapons, NOW, it's occupation. That's a fact. They will occupy to completely dismantle Hamas. Stripped right down to the bolts. The goal is zero Hamas on the borders ever again.
Then Victor, they will ask Gazans who want to leave voluntarily, to take much better lives elsewhere. But legally they can't do that during a war. That's definitely ethnic cleansing, even I know that. So after Hamas is gone and the Gazans are relatively safe, they will ask.
And all this Victor, can ONLY happen thanks to Trump. Stone cold facts man, dead to rights. You can say anything you want, but my post contains grim truths that most pro-pals in here are going to shake there head and agree to.
I'm torn where I land on some of it. But this is what's going to happen now.
Hamas couldn't give the last hostages back
you live in a fantasy land
I'm torn where I land on some of it. But this is what's going to happen now.
stop lying
Biden was doing all of the same things that Trump is now doing. Dems will try to offload this on Trump but it wont work. everyone will remember that Biden did all of the work and Trump finished it off. and everyone will remember that Israel is a genocidal extremist supremacist society. you guys will go down in history right next to the previous one. thats the legacy.
Someone who isn’t a bad faith actor please Correct me if this is wrong. But the deal as I remember it was to negotiate a second phase during the first phase. It was never to immediately start the second phase even if negotiations during the first phase broke down.
And I kind of even remember Netanyahu stating he didn’t think there would ever be a second phase. And hostilities would probably resume as soon as the first phase ended.
The collective memory of this thread seems to be that they had agreed to transition from the first phase to the second phase no matter what. And I just don’t remember it that way.
You can argue Netanyahu never intended to go into the second phase, and given his own words, this might actually be the most likely scenario.
But the argument (that you guys seem to implicitly be making) that both sides were obligated to go into the second phase without further productive negotiations taking place doesn’t seem correct from my memory.
And this isn’t even going into the complication that both sides repeatedly accused the other of breaking the ceasefire terms during the first phase.
I voted for Kamala bud. It’s funny how the Hamas supporters keep trying to falsely characterize other posters as if their opinion matters.
Lol the “unconscious person” in your little hypothetical is holding hostages. Maybe inform yourself some before posting. It’ll save you from looking like a fool.
im actually not hamas supporter at all lol.
im just not pro israel actions like you 😀.
But its ok only extremist dont see themselves as extremist....
Not beleiving israel actions arent extreme , please tell me, what would it be ?
u blame me the exact same way u did to me , gj bud!
They don't seem to want to take the losses that that kind of detailed campaign on the ground would incur, and such losses would involve a political cost, which may be why they prefer bombing.
Yes. You get it. Dead Gazans are better than dead Israeli soldiers. Why put your own people at risk in a war you did not start?
im actually not hamas supporter at all lol.
im just not pro israel actions like you 😀.
But its ok only extremist dont see themselves as extremist....
Not beleiving israel actions arent extreme , please tell me, what would it be ?
u blame me the exact same way u did to me , gj bud!
You may not be a Hamas supporter but you are certainly a puppet of Hamas.
why would the US negotiate with Hamas? that wasnt part of the ceasefire. if anything, Hamas actually negotiating with the USA was a sign of good faith.
To get the hostages out and then after that destroy them. Seeing as they aren't playing ball anymore Trump and IDF were forced to act. If Hamas didn't see that coming and warn civilians to evacuate as they might get caught up in some collateral damage that is completely on Hamas for not sticking to the deal and being aware of what the consequences would be if they didn't comply and just shows the absolute disregard they have for the people they are meant to be governing.
