Israel/Palestine thread
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Hamas did not kidnap them according to Israel and according to Yoav Gallant.
You really gonna split hairs between Hamas and some equally loathsome splinter group? You really are a piece of work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5MQRA0g...
heres Galant and the transcript
he notes that they were taken by a second wave of that was not Hamas and then transferred to a group that was in his own words "more radical than Hamas".
also, interestingly, he notes that both of the parents were fighting the militants with firearms. to me, seems pretty weird to call them civilians.
I remember when
I remember, I remember when I lost my mind
There was something so pleasant about that place
Even your emotions have an echo in so much space
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/video-show...
Yes, we all saw it before.
Yes Vic is insane.
You really gonna split hairs between Hamas and some equally loathsome splinter group? You really are a piece of work.
I am just going to stick to the facts. I get that facts are inconvenient to your cause.
and with that in mind, you just offered a few more baseless assertions about a "splinter group" taking them. I have not seen any information indicating that the group who kidnapped the Bibas were a splinter group or aligned in any way with Hamas.
in fact, if we go by the wikipedia article, citing the two Israeli papers Haaretz and Ynet, it claims they were kidnapped by the "Lords of the Desert".
digging a little deeper we can find this article
which says this
Hamas are not Salafi and are actually opponents of that ideology. thats the ISIS/Al Qaeda/HTS guys.
see, this is why we look at facts.
This forum discussion was a real eye opener.
The world is a much crazier, stupid and shameless place than I ever imagined.
I remember when
I remember, I remember when I lost my mind
There was something so pleasant about that place
Even your emotions have an echo in so much space
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/video-show...
Yes, we all saw it before.
Yes Vic is insane.
Gallant, literally said, in English, just a few days ago, point blank, that they were not kidnapped by Hamas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5MQRA0g...
A man decides after seventy years
That what he goes there for, is to unlock the door
While those around him criticize and sleep
And through a fractal on a breaking wall
I see you my friend, and touch your face again
Miracles will happen as we trip
You really gonna split hairs between Hamas and some equally loathsome splinter group? You really are a piece of work.
Months ago for a while i wrote "Hamas and all other terrorist groups in the area" (or equivalent expressions) every time to avoid this victor nitpicking but it's a waste of time tbh
Months ago for a while i wrote "Hamas and all other terrorist groups in the area" (or equivalent expressions) every time to avoid this victor nitpicking but it's a waste of time tbh
every time I read a Vic post:
I'm not like them
But I can pretend
The sun is gone
But I have a light
The day is done
But I'm having fun
I think I'm dumb
Blue, if someone resists your genocidal invasion in the Gaza strip with a firearm, what would you call that person? what would you do to that person if you happened to capture them alive?
Not sure what I would call them, but I would call you a lunatic
sorry Vic, can't take you seriously anymore. you went too far
I dunno man, you should be mad at Yarden Bibas and Gallant and the IDF and the Israeli press. bc they are the ones who say that Hamas did not capture the Bibas. I am just going by their words.
BLUE salivating at this
IDF, Gallant, Israeli media, wikipedia, and Yarden Bibas himself said that Hamas did not kidnap them.
theres a reason these guys have strayed from the topic at hand and its bc they made demonstrably false statements and were easily proven wrong. so now predictably, their only recourse is to pivot to ad hominem insults.
facts are very inconvenient for genocidal apartheid states and their supporters.
If there are 20 different groups of foreign supplied armed militias of varying Jihadist ideology operating openly in Gaza, and Hamas does not have the ability and/or will to control them; this is even more reason Hamas must be removed from the equation and Gaza must be demilitarized.
In Victor's mind the fact the people that murdered the babies weren't Hamas is a gotcha get out of jail free card for the group. In reality it is reason #10,000 they must abdicate.
Hey corpus is this a good time to ask you to tell us more about how Hamas breaks every ceasefire?
Asking for 400 friends
the IDF murdered the babies and the only real question is if it was intentional Hannibal directive or not.
the different debates on how to solve the "Jewish problem", started prior to the Nazi Madagascar Plan.
It was a niche idea of some "Nazi ideologues" and was only one of several solutions that was being considered.
It’s a false equivalency on every merit, as the prosecution of Jews in Germany stated long before the plan was even brought up. On the other hand, and as you are very well aware of, Israel has a 20% Arab population, that have full rights and no one in talking about deporting them.
Bad ta
It was the plan but the British blockade stopped it from being executed. It might have failed at other points but the sentiment, that one group feels so superior to the other that they have the right to ethnically cleanse them from their homes, is undeniably equivalent. Your denying it only serves to make you look orthogonal to logic or moral integrity and aligned with fascist Jewish supremacy.
The famously fascist Jews, right.
IDF, Gallant, Israeli media, wikipedia, and Yarden Bibas himself said that Hamas did not kidnap them.
Hamas-allied groups taking part in a Hamas-led operation are not completely separate from Hamas. (And Hamas could basically find and kill them if it wanted to.) The subordinate groups are part of a Dance of the Seven Veils that Hamas goes in for.
