Israel/Palestine thread

I actually agree for once w you on something g that celebrities and musicians advice on politics shouldn’t be taken…

But this is some universal thinking that transcends musicians.

I think the only thing musicians say that’s relative is how their handlers control them in the music industry.

I was being lazy but only because I’d rather not write long posts that you’re just going to disagree with anyways.

I actually wrote a couple paragraphs and decided to delete and meme instead.

Using the method of teaching known as show don’t tell.

Look I realize there’s nothing that can convince you people of wanting the total destruction of your enemies but for most rational people without a dog in the fight it just comes off as genocide.

Fake news was fake

Deplorable? That is standard treatment for traitors. Standard treatment doesn't mean it's ok, but I think we can all relate to the kind of anger induced by these sorts of people. I, for example, were I supreme ruler of the world, do you think I'm going after Repubs first? Not even close. Bring me all the treacherous Dems we're going to have a field day with them first and foremost. If you don't feel this way about traitors you're not really invested in anything.

Yes we know radical leftists hate center-leftists infinitely more than they could ever hate rightwing people.

It is well known

I used to think like you when I was younger. Let’s just agree to disagree.

Sorry, missed this.

I have no doubt the Israelis will cleanse the Palestinians in that case, but this is a multi-front war. The attacks can come from Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Iran, and possibly even Egypt/Jordan/Saudi Arabia if the US loses its political will or the financial capability to maintain its very expensive sphere of influence. Even if the Palestinians get cleansed, the war will continue, and if Israel starts running out of ammo, that will embolden the Arab countries to rejoin the fight.

If it got to that point, I really dont know if the Jews would choose exile/capitulation over the nuclear option. Hopefully, the rest of the world just stops supplying The Palestinian Resistance, it fades into the night, and then peaceful actors can come take control and reform Palestinian society.

In other news, apparently Israel is concerned that Turkey is going to directly take over abandoned Syrian airbases, and use these bases to threaten Israel with sophisticated US supplied fighter jets. And it doesn't help the Trump administration is negotiating to provide Turkey with F-35's.

Also, given the dissatisfaction at home with Erdogan's increasingly authoritarian, fascist regime; he might decide that initiating a cold/hot war with Israel is the best method to stay in power.

yeah people who let other people ethnically cleanse them peacefully without putting up resistance don't really exist.

Israel would definitely choose the nuclear option. The only question is where in the U.S. is it going to detonate. The great thing about it, from Israel's perspective, is that there won't be any physical evidence from the scene. No parts of buildings to haul away, no pesky profs of engineering tearing away at the government propaganda. Some grainy footage of Arabs from 1998 with some large suitcases walking through an airport should be sufficient.

The revolutionaries always go after the infiltrators and the saboteurs and the mealy mouthed collaborators first regardless of if they are Right or Left revolutionaries. I don't believe this is well known, though it might be.

Thank you Victor and Deuces once again for showing that all your tears are fake and you all fantasize about mass political killings when it suits you. I mean it was very obvious but to anyone thinking you guys were crying genocide in good faith rather than as a pretense at least we have it on record.

Remember, by this standard the US would be justified in executing both of you for giving support to an enemy country.

I don't know where you are getting that I'm advocating not voting. You seem to live in a weird world full of little discrete observations/creations that you splice together neatly to form your opinions. The idea that the rightward drift of political parties is so explained is laughable. The reason both parties drift Right is because of the dynamic nature of the state-corporate complex which continually falls under more corporate influence and less democratic influence. On the significant material issues the country is progressive and those policies are non starters because the voting public is being manipulated by monied interests, via mechanisms I touched on in an earlier post. This is even apparent in Democratic primaries where Bernie was twice cheated. It wasn't voting that kept Bernie from the nomination. It was cheating. More specifically it was people being paid to cheat by the people who really control election outcomes - not voters.

LOL revolutionaries. We are probably talking about the single most theocratic, conservative culture in the world today. And real revolutionaries are very famous for becoming paranoid, turning on everyone, including themselves, and mostly killing innocent people.

Regardless, the family/clan of one of the tortured/murdered "collaborators" have already stated that they wish this to be treated according to Sharia, where the responsible parties are handed over to them for retribution in an "eye for an eye" fashion, and if this is done then they will consider the matter settled.

I said they should be tried in a court of law. just like all of the Capos and Quislings and Vichies and collaborators should have been tried. its unfortunate that the genocidal forces destroyed all the courts.

anyway, the story is obv bullshit just like all the other crap that you guys have latched onto which is always debunked. until I find something better than Dun posted about and some of the worst right wing Hasbara accounts boosted it, I will file it right next to the beheaded babies, Bibas twins, and mass rape.

There is a difference about fantasizing about mass killings of innocent people because they are the wrong ethnicity - what you do - and fantasizing about bringing those responsible for genocide to justice - what I do.

I don't give support to an enemy country (and btw are you recognizing Palestine as a country - whoopsies). I give support to my values, not my country or any country. I don't give a **** about countries. That makes me different than the traitors (allegedly) handled by Hamas, who were not acting in accord with any values other than their own personal gain at the cost of their countrymen's lives.

I do appreciate that the same people who are faux outraged that foreign nationals in the US are being deported on specious evidence of supporting Hamas; just completely take Hamas as their word that people they torture and murder were collaborators (with no evidence at all) and therefor got what they deserve.

It really just emphasizes just how bad faith actors like Victor and Deuces are; and how eager they are to lick fascist boots with the best of them, as long as it is their fascists of choice.

Nah. The fact you take a theocratic ethnonationalist group like Hamas at their word when they torture and murder people with zero evidence of any wrongdoing, and congratulate them on a job well done, just shows you are a fascist bootlicker at heart.

I said months ago that they should be tried in a court of law. its unfortunate the genocidal extremist Israeli state has destroyed those.

So in your fascist worldview, in nations without credible court systems, state actors have carte blanche to be judge, jury and executioner; while providing zero evidence?

its very problematic. often mob justice rules. often old scores are settled. Sinwar writes about this in multiple passages.

if you want to ascribe blame, maybe look at the state actors that destroyed the state's governing apparatus and its judicial system.

to whom? anyway, wake me up when you shed a tear for the 100s of thousands killed "while providing zero evidence" by the Israelis. or the 100s of thousands tortured over the last 80 years in squalid prison camps by the Israeli Supremacist Extremists.

I am not shedding any tears. I just oppose fascist states that torture and murder people on trumped up charges with zero evidence or due process.

Since this is something you are mostly agnostic about, we will have to just agree to disagree.

Anyways, since Palestinians are mostly theocrats with Stone Age value systems, they don’t actually seem to mind the torture and murder at all; provided they are afforded retribution according to Sharia.

So given this, seems like no real harm, no foul. Carry on.

You've read Sinwars passages?

It's starting to look like a potential civil war in Gaza. Israel may get to just sit back and watch them kill each other.

While it's not available on Amazon, like Mein Kampf is, it's still not exactly hard to find.

Imagine my disappointment when I couldn't find any bigotry antisemitism homophobia or misogyny.