Israel/Palestine thread

They couldn’t verify the allegations because they didn’t talk to victims, but they identified a pattern of sexual violence? Is this the Trump defense?

let me refresh you on what was asserted

I bolded the part that is literally contradicted by the UN's report that I quoted.

if you want to change the subject, and talk about other stuff, I would be happy to debunk whatever else after you admit that the UN did not in fact recognize that any rape occurred and actually clearly stated they did not.

Well, I read most of the report. It is barely 60 pages, and would probably take next to no time to read compared to how much time and effort a lot of people have spent in this thread.

It is not a particularly comforting read, unless you get a kick out of dry descriptions of atrocities, but it certainly seems detailed and also careful in how it uses its sources.

For what it is worth, the report's final conclusions is that that there was widespread abductions, torture, killings, rape and sexual violence.

You can certainly take a few sentences out of context and pretend the report states the opposite. However, while that is on point for 2025, it is not a particularly honest way of going about things.

it literally says that they do not conclude that rape occurred. there is nothing out of context there. its actually quite damning to all Israeli allegations.

seems pretty direct to me.

tame_deuces, a liberal supporter of all war: out of context!

Have any of you people who think there was rape happening on Oct. 7th ever had sex? Are you aware of the general conditions under which a man can function sexually? I've never tested it, but from experience and from swapping stories with other men who have also had sex, I'd say it's safe to say it would be a very rare individual indeed who could sexually perform in the midst of a surprise attack against a militarily superior oppressor while knowing your own death is imminent. This was essentially a suicide mission. You think there was time and inclination to rape?

Militaries do rape. And I don't doubt that if Hamas captured territory and that territory was secured and there were enemy women in that territory that they would be just as rapey as any other army. This isn't even a question of motive or morals. It's just that your body isn't going to let you perform when you know it is highly likely you're about to die. You're going to be forced by your biology to try to save your own life. Getting some ass is the furthest thing from your mind. I mean, forget the question of had you ever had sex because clearly you haven't. Let's downshift and ask have you ever felt adrenaline? Have you ever done anything you weren't supposed to do?

Given, as I outlined a few posts back, the Israeli dudes are not the breeders the Palestinians are. Not to mention, I've been to Israel and the women there are very, very good looking I have to say. That took me off-guard because that is not the reputation of Jewish women in the U.S. Yes I am anti-Israel but I am pro truth first and foremost and the women in Israel, and just the people in general, are very slim and very well kept and overall it's like everyone is looking the best they can and that further puts the manhood of Israeli dudes into question. So are these Israeli dudes having fantasies about Palestinians hooking up with their women? Is that was this ridiculous rape hoax is all about? Instead of Blacked do they have what? Sanded? porn videos? It must be some kind of projection because not only is the rape story preposterous on its face but no victim has come forth with credible evidence.

read this part carefully and noticed what they left out

its also worth nothing that the definition of sexual violence is quite broad. for instance, the UN considers Israel to be doing sexual violence when they dress up in womens clothes and force women to remove their hijabs for searches. ofc it should go without saying that this is not to downplay such things, but its not the nearly in the same stratosphere as the outlandish tales of mass rape that we have been told.

thats part of the Western dehumanization of native population. it is so embedded in our culture and minds due to propaganda that seemingly reasonable and respectable people like tame_deuces, who actually has military experience iirc, take it on face value that these guys are going to just stop doing the duty they have trained their entire lives for, and in the midst of an endless stream of bombings, are going to just do some rape.

bc you see, the barbarian native is just so enthralled by the pure white women that they cant help themselves. its a sick narrative.

Most of the places in red, including most of the Muslim world, have no white women. You are correct about the cultural proclivities towards gender based violence, including rape, except for the white woman part.

The real cultural disconnect is that fundamentalist Muslims, especially fundamentalist Arab Muslims, view women as little more than property. And as such it is the job of male relatives to safeguard their property. And if they slip up and let their woman get in a position to have violence done against her, it is pretty much fair game. And of course it is then the job of the male relative to restore family honor by murdering the despoiled female.

And of course it goes without saying that if you are a married woman in a fundamentalist Muslim/Arab country, you have pretty much no legal rights wrt domestic violence/sexual violence.

And like in most dimensions, if you zoom in you can see Israel is a diamond in the rough in the MENA in this respect.

lol this moron thinks rape is about sexual gratification rather than domination.

war rape happens quite a lot so your pop psychologizing falls extremely flat

remember this post when victor tries to shame you for being immoral

remember it when the genocide supporters try to spread racist atrocity propaganda to support the mass murder of babies.

I acknowledged war rape happens and further acknowledged there is nothing special about the Palestinians such that they wouldn't (except maybe how they play the propaganda game is to actually observe human rights in order to draw the sharpest contrast with the Israeli fascist hordes) Rape happens in all kinds of scenarios, just not when an army of fascists with superior technology who live to kill you are descending on you. I really don't understand why people even argue or cite facts on this topic. It's absurd to think it would happen and, just in case it somehow could, there is no evidence it did.

This must be the stupidest thing ever written on the interwebs

Just playing devil's advocate but I've been living in a sexually repressed theocratic society my whole life and I'm on a suicide mission, I'm probably going to die within hours. I've got a window to get my **** on. Allah ackbar or ****?

One thing worth noting about posts like this is the complete lack of understanding of what a military conflict looks like. The assumption that you are constantly under fire, constantly in danger of your life, and constantly busy surviving is ridiculous.

Even during battles, there is time to rest, eat, sleep, talk to friends, play, and so on.

Also, the assumption that Hamas fighters are "soldiers" in the sense of discipline and conduct is also stupid. In addition to rape, they were busy looting, uploading videos to social media, calling families in Gaza, and more. They stopped to eat in the houses they occupied in the kibbutzim, taking souvenirs.

One of my strongest memories from Defensive Wall OPeration is that in the middle of the takeover of the Moketa, when we occupied the Palestinian Authority communications building, we took the director of the archives with us to show us what was on each floor.

On the floor where his office was, there was a chess table. He asked me if I play and I said yes... I won two to one :-)

You really are one anti Semitic mfr aren't you?

this stuff is fine when Israelis do it.

How is that your conclusion from what I wrote?

It's clearly wrong. That's not the point of the post. I'm talking about people like you not knowing what war is and imagining something very far from reality in your head.

There's free time in plenty, unfortunately including to rape women (for those who are capable of acting in such a unhuman way). Your assumption that there couldn't have been rape, because they were scared and in the middle of a battle, is stupid, that's all

no my assumption is based on the facts and evidence and circumstances and you are focusing on one small piece of it. also, Oct 7th wasnt a whole war. it was a super intense battle.

the Western assumption that heathen barbarians will take every opportunity to rape as many innocent white maidens as possible is the racism.

and its not lost on me that every accusation you guys make always turns out to be a confession.

and what about your reading comprehension skills?

false

also false. they are the most important and celebrated hatchet men for White Empire.

"White empire"

Doctor, I think we can call it. time of death is...

anyway, a few days ago this entire thread told me I was wrong and making things up when I relayed that Israel executed over a dozen paramedics and civil workers. now all of the mainstream Western news sources have reported on it. and white UN workers saw it with their own eyes as they accompanied the Palestinians. https://x.com/UNOCHA/status/190667846931... (also on this guys page you can see 2 people get shot and killed while they were going to the site.

will these people think about why they are always wrong? will they think about why they struggle so much with critically analyzing information? I wont hold my breath.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/202...

but wait, they were Hamas! except...